New rocky exoplanet discovered is the closest to Earth

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The discussion centers around the discovery of HD 219134b, identified as the closest confirmed rocky exoplanet to Earth, and the implications of its characteristics and classification. Participants explore the methods of detection, comparisons with other exoplanets, and the reliability of the information regarding its classification as a rocky planet.

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Main Points Raised

  • HD 219134b is reported to be 1.6 times larger and 4.5 times more massive than Earth, with a density of 6 g/cm³, suggesting it is a rocky planet.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the classification of HD 219134b as rocky, citing the existence of Alpha Centauri Bb as a closer candidate, though its status is disputed.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the reliability of the data from various sources, including NASA and other databases, which report differing numbers of confirmed exoplanets.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the planet's proximity to its star, noting that if it were gaseous, its existence would be surprising.
  • There is mention of the potential for orbital precession due to the planet's close orbit.
  • Some participants humorously comment on the implications of the planet's short orbital period on potential life or conditions there.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the classification of HD 219134b as a rocky planet, with some asserting its status while others question it. There is also disagreement regarding the reliability of various sources of information about exoplanets.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the classification of exoplanets can depend heavily on definitions and methods of detection, leading to discrepancies in reported data. The discussion highlights the complexity of confirming the characteristics of exoplanets and the challenges in comparing them.

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Say hello to HD 219134b - a rocky exoplanet recently discovered using HARPS-North instrument on the Italian 3.6-meter Galileo National Telescope in the Canary Islands, who's existence has been confirmed by NASA's Sptizer Space Telescope.

At a distance of 21 light years, it is the closest confirmed rocky exoplanet we know of. The transiting planet itself cannot be seen by telescopes, but it so happens that it can be seen transiting it's star (lucky us, right?), because the light that reaches us from the star is dimmed around the area where the planet is present, from which the planet's size was deduced (it's mass was worked out using a "radial velocity" method) . It's about 1.6 times as large and 4.5 times as massive as Earth with an orbital period of just 3 days. It's 6 g/cm^3 density classifies it as a rocky planet.

Experts say that the planet is too close to its parent star (a K type main sequence star) to support life, but it is expected to be an object of considerable scientific interest in the near future.

Three other planets in the system have also been discovered which are 2.7 times, 9 times, and 62 times as massive as the Earth, with orbital periods of 7 days, 47 days, and 1190 days respectively. The densities of these planet are yet to be determined as they have not been observed to transit till now.

Any thoughts on this?
 
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A pair of planets with a 3 day and 7 day orbital periods? Interesting.
 
Borg said:
A pair of planets with a 3 day and 7 day orbital periods? Interesting.
I bet summer vacations aren't fun there :rolleyes:
 
PWiz said:
I bet summer vacations aren't fun there :rolleyes:
Probably need SPF 1,000,000.
 
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PWiz said:
It's about 1.6 times as large and 4.5 times as massive as Earth with an orbital period of just 3 days. It's 6 g/cm^3 density classifies it as a rocky planet.

What - That close to the star , if it was a gaseous planet would have been a real surprise.o0)
 
256bits said:
What - That close to the star , if it was a gaseous planet would have been a real surprise.o0)
Exactly. Plus it's parent star is less massive than the Sun, so that only means it's closer to the star than it would be if it were orbiting the Sun with the same time period.

I bet it has a lot of orbital precession at those orbital distances.
 
It is rather misleading. The keywords are "confirmed" and "transiting." There is also some doubt as to whether or not HD 219134b is "rocky." The closest "rocky" exoplanet to Earth is actually Alpha Centauri Bb, at a distance of 4.336 light years, but does not "transit" its star and its existence is still disputed and therefore not "confirmed." There are also several other "confirmed" exoplanets that are much closer than 21 light years, but they are too large to be considered "rocky" and they do not "transit" their parent star.

Furthermore, the mass and density are calculated based upon the radius of the exoplanet using Weiss & Marcy (2014):

"Because the solar system planets appear to satisfy a linear relation between density and radius, we choose a linear fit to planet density vs. radius. We find:"

ρp = 2.43 + 3.39 ( Rp / R ) = 7.854 g/cm3

"For exoplanets satisfying 1.5 ≤ Rp / R < 4, we calculate an empirical fit to their masses and radii, yielding:"

Mp / M = 2.69 ( Rp / R )0.93 = 4.165 M

See also Most 1.6 Earth-Radius Planets are not Rocky.
 
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It is rather misleading. The keywords are "confirmed" and "transiting." There is also some doubt as to whether or not HD 219134b is "rocky." The closest "rocky" exoplanet to Earth is actually Alpha Centauri Bb, at a distance of 4.336 light years, but does not "transit" its star and its existence is still disputed and therefore not "confirmed." There are also several other "confirmed" exoplanets that are much closer than 21 light years, but they are too large to be considered "rocky" and they do not "transit" their parent star.

Furthermore, the mass and density are calculated based upon the radius of the exoplanet using Weiss & Marcy (2014):

"Because the solar system planets appear to satisfy a linear relation between density and radius, we choose a linear fit to planet density vs. radius. We find:"

ρp = 2.43 + 3.39 ( Rp / R ) = 7.854 g/cm3

"For exoplanets satisfying 1.5 ≤ Rp / R < 4, we calculate an empirical fit to their masses and radii, yielding:"

Mp / M = 2.69 ( Rp / R )0.93 = 4.165 M

See also Most 1.6 Earth-Radius Planets are not Rocky.
I actually gathered most of my information from here: http://www.space.com/30112-closest-rocky-alien-planet-found.html

I know that closer planets have been announced many times, but then again their existence isn't confirmed yet.
 
PWiz said:
I actually gathered most of my information from here: http://www.space.com/30112-closest-rocky-alien-planet-found.html

I know that closer planets have been announced many times, but then again their existence isn't confirmed yet.
Space.com got their information from JPL/NASA (NASA's Spitzer Confirms Closest Rocky Exoplanet) and the Spitzer press release (NASA's Spitzer Confirms Closest Rocky Exoplanet). I find that Space.com very accurately reflects the information obtained from JPL/NASA and other sources, and I use them quite often.

However, when it concerns exoplanets, information can vary considerably depending on the source used. For example, the NASA Exoplanet Archive maintained by Cal Tech has 1,879 confirmed exoplanets as of July 23, 2015. Yet The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia maintained by the EU "Exoplanet TEAM" from Françoise Roques Observatoire de Paris, France has 1,942 confirmed exoplanets as of August 1, 2015, and The Exoplanet Data Explorer maintained by the California Planet Survey consortium has 1,593 confirmed exoplanets.

JPL/NASA, on the other hand, tends to be all over the place when it concerns their own data. For example, from the JPL/NASA and Spitzer press release I mentioned above:

"Most of the known planets are hundreds of light-years away. This one is practically a next-door neighbor," said astronomer and study co-author Lars A. Buchhave of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts. For reference, the closest known planet is GJ674b at 14.8 light-years away; its composition is unknown.
[emphasis added]

Yet, according to their own database the closest known "confirmed" exoplanet is Alpha Centauri Bb at a distance of 4.403 light years (1.35 parsecs). Other astronomers, however, have questioned the existence of Alpha Centauri Bb due to the methodology used (doppler spectroscopy) to determine its presence. If we used only NASA's Exoplanet Archive, then Alpha Centauri Bb is "confirmed" with a radius of 1.13 ± 0.09 R, with a calculated density of 3.831 g/cm3 and a calculated mass of 1.002 M. That would make Alpha Centauri Bb the closest "confirmed," "rocky" exoplanet to Earth according to JPL/NASA. However, it was not detected "transiting" its parent star.

So the discrepancy is not the fault of Space.com, but rather JPL/NASA publishing conflicting information.

See also http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v491/n7423/full/nature11572.html - Nature 491, 207–211 (08 November 2012) doi:10.1038/nature11572 (free reprint [PDF])
 
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