Eigenfunctions and Boundary Conditions for $$\frac{d^2}{dx^2}(xy) - λxy=0$$

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation $$\frac{d^2}{dx^2}(xy) - λxy=0$$, focusing on the identification of eigenfunctions and the implications of boundary conditions, particularly the requirement for regularity at \(x=0\) and the condition \(y(1)=0\). Participants explore various approaches to solving the equation and clarifying the meaning of regularity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the eigenfunctions are $$y_{n}=\frac{\sin(n\pi x)}{x}$$ and expresses confusion about the practical meaning of the regularity condition at \(x=0\).
  • Another participant challenges the validity of integrating the equation without knowing the form of \(y\) and proposes a substitution \(u=xy\) to reformulate the differential equation.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake in treating \(y\) as a constant and seeks clarification on the regularity condition.
  • One participant identifies three cases for the characteristic equation based on the sign of \(\lambda\) but indicates a need for boundary conditions to proceed.
  • There is contention regarding whether the task requires proving uniqueness of eigenfunctions, with some arguing that eigenfunctions can be scalar multiples of each other.
  • Another participant derives a solution for \(u\) and discusses the implications of the regularity condition, concluding that it leads to \(A=0\) and identifies the eigenfunctions as \(\frac{\sin(n\pi x)}{x}\) with corresponding eigenvalues \(-n^2\).

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of proving uniqueness of eigenfunctions and the interpretation of the regularity condition. There is no consensus on the approach to take or the implications of the boundary conditions.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the regularity condition at \(x=0\) and the implications of boundary conditions on the solutions. Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical steps involved in deriving the eigenfunctions.

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consider $$\frac{d^2}{dx^2}(xy) - λxy=0$$. Show eigenfunctions are $$y_{n}=\frac{\sin(n\pi x)}{x}$$. Boundary conditions are y(1)=0 and y regular at x=0

I integrated twice to obtain $$6xy=λx^3y+6Ax+6B$$ where A,B constants. I can't apply the condition y is regular because I don't know what it means pratically. Besides, I can't see how I can get the required solution from this equation.
 
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Your "twice integrating" is invalid, because you don't know what $y$ is, aside from being a function of $x$. I suggest letting a new function $u=u(x)=xy(x)$. Then the DE becomes $u''=\lambda u$. What are the solutions of that DE?

Can't help you with the "regular at $x=0$", other than it sounds like something to do with differentiability at the origin.
 
It says, as a boundary condition, y(x) must be regular at the singular point x=0. I see my mistake integrating, I was treating y as a constant w.r.t x.
 
I've got a line on the "regularity" thing. Solve the DE I posted in my previous post. What do you get?
 
ok so characteristic equation is m^2=λ, so 3 cases to consider. λ=0, λ<0 and λ>0. I can solve when I know boundary conditions.
 
You are not asked to solve the equation- you are given a possible solution and asked to show that it does, in fact, satisfy the differential equation. That requires that you differentiate the given function, not integrate anything.
 
You're wrong. It asks 'show that the eigenfuctions are ...' i.e you have to show there are no others.
 
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You're wrong. It asks 'show that the eigenfuctions are ...' i.e you have to show there are no others.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you have to show uniqueness. Eigenvectors, for example, are not unique. In fact, a scalar times an eigenvector is an eigenvector. Similarly, in this case, at the very least, a constant times an eigenfunction is an eigenfunction. Moreover, I think you show that the functions $e^{in\pi x}/x$ are eigenfunctions.
 
Following Ackbach's comment #2 above, let $u=xy$. Then $u''=\lambda u$. That is an SHM equation with solution $u=A\cos(\omega x) + B\sin(\omega x)$, where $\omega = \sqrt{-\lambda}$.

Thus $y = \dfrac{A\cos(\omega x) + B\sin(\omega x)}x$. The boundary condition that $y$ is regular at $x=0$ means that $y$ should not go to infinity at $x=0$. That tells you that $A=0$. The other boundary condition $y(1)=0$ then tells you that $\omega=n\pi$ for some integer $n$. Therefore the eigenfunctions are $\dfrac{\sin(n\pi x)}x$, with corresponding eigenvalues $-n^2$.
 

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