Eigenketes and Eigenvalues of operators

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The discussion revolves around the properties of operators in a two-dimensional vector space, specifically focusing on eigenkets and eigenvalues. The original poster presents an operator A that acts on the basis kets |1> and |2>, leading to questions about finding eigenkets and constructing the corresponding matrices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of eigenkets and eigenvalues for the operator A, with attempts to construct the matrix representation of A in different bases. Questions arise regarding the change of basis and the interpretation of notation used for kets.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on constructing the matrix representation of the operator A, while others express uncertainty about the relationship between the kets and their representations under the operator. Multiple interpretations of the notation and concepts are being explored, indicating an ongoing dialogue.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the distinction between kets as symbols and the vectors resulting from operator actions. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly representing operators in matrix form within the context of linear algebra.

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Again, consider the two-dimensional vector space, with an orthonormal basis consisting of kets |1> and |2>, i.e. <1|2> = <2|1> = 0, and <1|1> = <2|2> = 1. Any ket in this space is a linear combination of |1> and |2>. a) [2pt] The operator A acts on the basis kets as A|1> = |1>, A|2> = −|2>. Find the eigenkets (=eigenvectors) of A, and the corresponding eigenvalues. Find the matrix which represents the operator A in the basis of |1> and |2>. Find the matrix which represents the operator A in the basis of eigenkets of A.

Homework Equations



A|a> = c|a>

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Well for the first part, I just said that if A|a> = c|a> where c is a constant, then |a> is the eigenket or eigenvector and c is the eigenvalue so I got

|1> is the eigenvector and 1 is the eigenvalue for A|1> and |2> is the eigenket and -1 is the eigenvector for A|2>. I am unsure of how to find the corresponding matrix that represents A in the basis of |1> and |2>

Is it just (1 -1) but as a column matrix?
 
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The matrix is 2x2 and its ijth element is ##A_{ij} =<i|A|j>##. Can you construct the matrix now?
 
Yes I figured it out. Thanks!
 
Okay, so I have my matrix in in the basis of |1> and |2> as (1,0)
(0 1)

Sorry I am not sure how to write matrices on this forum. I am wondering how would I apply the change of basis to get them into the basis of the eigenkets of A? Since the eigenkets is just |1> and |2> wouldn't they be the same basis?
 
To write matrices and other math expressions, click on the LaTeX link, bottom left and to the right of the question mark.

Constructing the matrix in the eigenket representation, ##|V_1>##, ##|V_2>##, use the same procedure. The ijth element is ##A_{ij}=<V_i|A|V_j>##. If you do it correctly, you will see something that should have been obvious in retrospect.
 
So if my eigenket is |1> and |2> then would my result not be the same? Or is my eigenkets not |1> and |2>
 
jasonchiang97 said:
|1> is the eigenvector and 1 is the eigenvalue for A|1> and |2> is the eigenket and -1 is the eigenvector for A|2>.
I believe you have a slight, but important misunderstanding. There is no such thing as an eigenvector of A|1> or an eigenvector of A|2>. Instead, A|1> = |1> means that |1> is an eigenvector of A with eigenvalue 1 and similarly |2> is an eigenvector of A with eigenvalue -1.

A is an operator from a 2D space to a 2D space. As such it should be represented by a 2x2 matrix, not a column or row matrix.
 
Orodruin said:
I believe you have a slight, but important misunderstanding. There is no such thing as an eigenvector of A|1> or an eigenvector of A|2>. Instead, A|1> = |1> means that |1> is an eigenvector of A with eigenvalue 1 and similarly |2> is an eigenvector of A with eigenvalue -1.

A is an operator from a 2D space to a 2D space. As such it should be represented by a 2x2 matrix, not a column or row matrix.

I see. Just to make sure, the |1> and |2> are used as symbols here to denote the vector in A|1> and A|2> correct? As in it's the same notation but different vector if I were to write B|x> and B|y>
 
jasonchiang97 said:
I see. Just to make sure, the |1> and |2> are used as symbols here to denote the vector in A|1> and A|2> correct? As in it's the same notation but different vector if I were to write B|x> and B|y>
Although A|1> is a vector, it is not the same as vector |1>. It is the vector you get when you operate on vector |1> with operator A. It is analogous to this idea. If you have a function ##f(x)##, then ##g(x) = df(x)/dx## is a new function that you get when you operate on ##f(x)## with operator ##d/dx##. For the same reason you cannot say that ##f(x)## is used as a "symbol to denote" the function ##df(x)/dx##, you cannot say that vector |1> is used as a symbol to denote vector A|1>.
 
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I understand much better now. Thanks!
 

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