Eigenkets of a function of a hermitian operator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the eigenkets of a function of a hermitian operator A, particularly in the context of a problem from Sakurai's textbook. Participants explore the implications of defining functions of operators and the relationship between the eigenkets of A and f(A).

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the function f(A) has the same eigenkets as the hermitian operator A, expressing concern that adding anything to A could make it non-hermitian.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on how a function of an operator A is defined, referencing a specific page from a lecture note.
  • Further inquiries are made regarding Definition 27 from the referenced material, specifically about the nature of the Ai and the implications of the power series expansion in relation to the continuous spectrum.
  • There is a discussion about the completeness of eigenkets of a hermitian operator in the discrete spectrum and how this relates to the power series expansion.
  • Clarification is provided that the Ai refers to powers of A, such as 1, A, A^2, A^3, etc.
  • Participants discuss the notation of sums and integrals in the context of the spectrum, indicating a nuanced understanding of the mathematical framework involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether f(A) shares eigenkets with A, indicating a lack of consensus. There are also multiple questions and clarifications regarding definitions and mathematical implications, suggesting ongoing exploration rather than agreement.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the definitions and the implications of the continuous versus discrete spectrum, as well as the completeness of eigenkets, which remain unresolved.

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For a hermitian operator A, does the function f(A) have the same eigenkets as A?

This has been bothering me as I try to solve Sakurai question (1.27, part a). Some of my class fellows decided that it was so and it greatly simplifies the equations and it helps in the next part too but I don't think so because I might add anything to A in order to make it non-hermitian.
 
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How is a function of an operator A defined? Have a look at page 51 of http://www.lsr.ph.ic.ac.uk/~plenio/lecture.pdf .
 
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Edgardo said:
How is a function of an operator A defined? Have a look at page 51 of http://www.lsr.ph.ic.ac.uk/~plenio/lecture.pdf .

The operator is completely general but I think that definition 26 would apply. But I have a few question concerning Definition 27:

1. What specifically are the Ai?
2. Doesn't the power series expansion go under the continuous spectrum? I ask this because in the discrete spectrum at least, wouldn't the eigenkets of a hermitian operator be complete?

Thanks for the link btw, I printed the first two chapters :)
 
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shehry1 said:
The operator is completely general but I think that definition 26 would apply. But I have a few question concerning Definition 27:

1. What specifically are the Ai?
powers of A.

E.g., 1, A, A^2, A^3, etc

2. Doesn't the power series expansion go under the continuous spectrum?

under? Don't know exactly what you mean by that...

Often the symbol
<br /> \sum_n<br />
which "looks like" a discrete sum really means
<br /> \sum_n+\int dn<br />
a sum over the discrete part of the spectrum and a integral over the continuous part.
 

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