Elegant 1/(1-x) Identities for Complex Algebraic Manipulations and Logarithms

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The discussion revolves around the identity 1/(1-x) and its representation as an infinite product of (1+x^(2^N)) from N=0 to infinity. Participants explore the implications of this identity for complex algebraic manipulations and its connection to logarithms, while referencing external literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that 1/(1-x) can be expressed as an infinite product of (1+x^(2^N)), suggesting potential for complex algebraic manipulations.
  • Another participant disputes this identity, stating it is obviously incorrect due to the first factor being always 2.
  • A clarification is made regarding the expression, emphasizing that it is x^(2^N) and not x^(2*N).
  • A participant notes that this identity is a "standard" example found in many advanced textbooks, mentioning its pole and the implications for complex algebra.
  • One participant expresses a lack of understanding regarding the U-bit concept discussed in external articles, questioning the equivalence of complex numbers and rotating vectors.
  • Another participant shares a quote from an ArXiv paper that discusses a model involving quantum objects and a universal rebit, relating it to personal reflections on entanglement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the identity, with some supporting its use and others challenging its correctness. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the identity's validity and its implications for algebraic manipulations. The discussion also touches on the interpretation of complex numbers and their representation.

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Found out that:

1/(1-x) = the infinite product of (1+x^(2^N)) from N=0 to infinity.

From "The Harper Collins Dictionary of Mathematics" by
Borowski and Borwein.

Makes me wonder whether this identity could be used to make
some complex algebraic manipulations into real manipulations.
And it has nice logarithms too.

Yes, I have been reading the NewScientist article "Reality bits".
 
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This identity is obviously wrong, since the first factor (N=0) in the infinite product is always 2.
 
2^0=1; x^1=x; not 1; but anyway...

It's not x^(2*N), it's x^(2^N). 2^N is 1,2,4,8,16,...
 
Right!
Impressive!
How could one derive this identity?
 
It's a "standard" example of an infinite product
found in many advanced textbooks. It's pole
is at 2*2*2*2*2*..., not 1/0 when x=1.

So often I see 1/(1-x) result leads to complex
algebra. Like the squaring of complex strengths
leading to purely real potentials. So it is seductive
to replace it with factors all of which are greater
than or equal to unity and less than(or equal to?) 2.
Have you had the chance to read "Reality bits"
in January 25-31, 2014 of NewScientist?
 
No, I didn't read it.
I stopped reading NS since a few months by lack of time.
I couldn't find the (full) paper on their web site.
However, I will take the time to read this:

http://www.newscientist.com/article...o-u-searching-for-the-quantum-master-bit.html

http://arxiv.org/abs/1210.4535

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-bit

Concerning these U-bit idea, I mus say that I don't catch it very well.
After all, complex numbers are used also in electronics and almost everywhere.
Replacing them by a rotating vector is just changing their name, isn't it?

Added:

I like this sentence in the ArXiv paper:

"We are thus led to consider the following model. Every system is to be described as a
quantum object in a real vector space, with the same dimension it would normally have in
the complex theory, and in addition, there is a single auxiliary rebit. We call this auxiliary
rebit the universal rebit, or ubit, because in this model it needs to be able to interact
with every object in the world."

Reminds me of some usual dreams I have and the question of entanglement.
Will read further later to see if this is confirmed.
 
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