How to Convert a Complex Logarithm to a Complex Exponential

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of a complex logarithm to a complex exponential within the context of fractal equations, specifically related to the Mandelbrot Equation and Hausdorff Dimension. Participants explore the implications of this conversion for solving a new iterational equation in quadratic form.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to creating a new iterational equation based on the Mandelbrot Equation and Hausdorff Dimension, expressing uncertainty about converting complex logarithms to complex exponentials using Euler's Formula.
  • Another participant questions the connection between the fractal dimension and the power derived from the Hausdorff Dimension, suggesting that they may not be related.
  • There is a discussion about the format of the equation, with one participant clarifying that the expression ##z^k + iC## may not be suitable for logarithmic manipulation.
  • Participants explore the implications of expressing the Hausdorff dimension in polynomial form and how this affects the iterational equation.
  • There is a suggestion that once the complex logarithm is converted to a complex exponential, it could theoretically be solved, but the specifics of the quadratic form solution remain unclear.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Hausdorff Dimension and the iterational equation, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proposed methods or the connection between the concepts discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the conversion of complex logarithms to complex exponentials may depend on specific conditions and assumptions that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Okay, so I'm working with a rather frustrating problem with a calculus equation. I'm trying to solve a calculus equation which I conceptualized from existing methods involving complex number fractal equations. I'm very familiar with pre-calculus, while being self-taught in portions of calculus for practical applications in coding and higher dimensional mathematics, so bare with me on this.

Here's the premise:
I'm using the Mandelbrot Equation [ z = z2 + i C ] and the Hausdorff Dimension [ N = sd ], where d = ln(N)/ln(s), to create a new iterational equation, which fractally conforms to an already defined Hausdorff Dimension [ log(20)/log(2+φ) ], where φ = ((√5)+1)/2. This specific Hausdorff Dimension is of a Dodecahedron Fractal Flake.

This provides the new equation:
z = zlog(20)/log(2+φ) + i C

I'm attempting to solve the first iteration of this new equation in quadratic form, the format the mandelbrot is solved in [ z2 = a2-b2 + 2abi ], as it's the format most advantageous for the graphical mapping of the fractal structure.

From what I've surmised thus far in order to solve such an equation I need to first convert the complex logarithm into a complex exponential using Euler's Formula, and then solve the new formula algebraically to derive the first iterational solution.

There seems to be a basis for this method, albeit with certain conditions in the solutions, and similar questions put up on this forum before, but I don't quite understand the principles enough to solve it myself.

These are the relevant mathematical references on the topic I've been able to find -
http://math.gmu.edu/~rsachs/m114/eulerformula.pdf
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/eulers-formula-and-complex-logarithms-relationship.559665/
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2e3jnv/logarithms_of_complex_numbers_logarithms_with/

But that's pretty much it and I don't quite grasp how it's converted, since there's no direct examples of this process that I could find with conversions using Euler's Formula and Complex Logarithms.

Is this the proper way to go about solving such a problem?
And is there someone here that can help to find the solution?
 
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I'm not sure I understand what it is that you're doing, or what it is that you're asking. The number ##log(20)/log(2+\varphi)## is just a number, which you can calculate. Let's call it ##k##. Are you just asking how to compute ##z^k + iC##?

I don't know immediately what the relationship is between the fractal dimension of the iteration and the power ##k##. I don't think the two are necessarily connected.
 
stevendaryl said:
I'm not sure I understand what it is that you're doing, or what it is that you're asking. The number ##log(20)/log(2+\varphi)## is just a number, which you can calculate. Let's call it ##k##. Are you just asking how to compute ##z^k + iC##?
Yes, I'm aware that it's a calculable number, k = 2.3296217161703454689697018540751, but that's not the ideal format to compute ##z^k + iC##. As I'm trying to define it's first solvable iteration in quadratic form.
stevendaryl said:
I don't know immediately what the relationship is between the fractal dimension of the iteration and the power ##k##. I don't think the two are necessarily connected.
This is a problem which was published before in a very interesting thesis, which also describes it's relationship between the fractal dimension of the iterations and the power ##k## :
https://www.math.hmc.edu/seniorthesis/archives/2003/shaas/shaas-2003-thesis.pdf
 
CalcExplorer said:
Yes, I'm aware that it's a calculable number, k = 2.3296217161703454689697018540751, but that's not the ideal format to compute ##z^k + iC##. As I'm trying to define it's first solvable iteration in quadratic form.
If the above is ##z^k + iC##, there's no way that taking the log would be helpful, as there is no property that can break up ##\log(A + B)##.
Or did you mean to write ##z^{k + iC}##?
In that case ##\log(z^{k + iC}) = (k + iC)\log(z)##.
CalcExplorer said:
This is a problem which was published before in a very interesting thesis, which also describes it's relationship between the fractal dimension of the iterations and the power ##k## :
https://www.math.hmc.edu/seniorthesis/archives/2003/shaas/shaas-2003-thesis.pdf
 
Mark44 said:
If the above is ##z^k + iC##, there's no way that taking the log would be helpful, as there is no property that can break up ##\log(A + B)##.
Or did you mean to write ##z^{k + iC}##?
In that case ##\log(z^{k + iC}) = (k + iC)\log(z)##.

Sorry, the confusion is from an error in the OP.

Given the aformentioned thesis the Hausdorff dimension can be expressed in polynomial form.
So, the new equation becomes:

##z=z^k+iC##

where, ##k=z^k+iC## [solved numerically giving the complex number julia set]
k = z(log(20)/log(2+φ))## + 2.329621i##

This means k is a complex logarithm able to be converted into a complex exponential using Eulers formula. Once converted it could be solved but for the z iteration.

At least in theory anyway, using this method would the conversion from a complex logarithm to a complex exponential be valid and possible? If it can be converted, what would be the solution for the quadratic form solution of ##z=z^k+iC##?
 
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Following the iteration therefore for k:
##k = k##0(log(20)/log(2+φ))##+2.329621i##
##k##0## = 0 →k##1## = 0^k + c ≡c##
##c = 2.329621i##
##k##2## = c##(log(20)/log(2+φ))##+2.329621i##

Which means:
##k = c##(log(20)/log(2+φ))##+2.329621i##

After the conversion of the complex log into a complex exponential the new form of the equation
##k=c##(log(20)/log(2+φ))
is solved in quadratic form, and then used in the ##z=z^k+iC## also solved in quadratic form
 
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