End of the Universe: Light is the Final Frontier

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around theories regarding the end of the universe, particularly focusing on the role of light and energy in this context. Participants explore concepts related to cosmology, the fate of stars, and the implications of an expanding universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the universe will end in light, suggesting that light emitted from stars will continue to travel indefinitely unless it encounters matter.
  • Others question the necessity of an "end" to the universe, drawing analogies to the Earth's surface where one can travel indefinitely without reaching an edge.
  • There are claims that energy from stars will eventually cease as they burn out, leaving only the light they emitted, which will not interact with anything else.
  • A later reply challenges the idea that light can travel indefinitely, citing the universe's expansion and the curvature of spacetime as factors that prevent photons from escaping the observable universe.
  • Some participants mention the concept of thermal death, where the universe may reach a state of no change, containing diluted photons and gas.
  • Different theories about the universe's fate are presented, including the Big Crunch and accelerated expansion due to dark matter.
  • One participant suggests that light from stars has little effect on distant star systems due to vast distances, and that if the universe has no boundaries, light will persist alongside matter that cannot release more energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of the universe's end, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how light and energy will behave as the universe evolves.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of dark matter and energy, as well as the complexities of cosmological models, which may affect their arguments.

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I have been thinking about this for a while. Most theories don't make a lot of sense to me. What makes sense is that the universe will end in light. because light is being given off always and shot off into the end of space then it will never come back to hit another solid and be transferred into another form of energy. So unless there is something to bounce off of at the edge of the universe then it should end with a lot of light and some gas.
 
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Why does there need to be an end to the universe? It is a tough concept to wrap your mind around, but if you get into a plane, you can fly around the Earth in any direction and never reach an end. Apply that concept in 3 dimensions instead of 2.
 
Well how could the energy from the light that goes beyond the universe every be brought back into any other type of energy. I'm assuming that the universe has a finite amount of energy.
 
I don't understand the question. Why would the energy need to change into another type of energy?

It may be moot, in any case, as the universe's expansion makes it impossible for a photon to actually travel around the universe completely. Again, imagine the plane but this time on an expanding earth. The plane moves forward, but is actually moving away from its starting point in either direction.
 
What I am saying is that the energy from the stars eventually burn up and stop giving off light. After the sun is gone the only thing left of it was the light that it gave off. And once the light goes towards the end of the universe it will never hit anything else. It will always be light. The Earth and planets would be pulled into the sun and would eventually be gone too.
 
bassplayer142 said:
What I am saying is that the energy from the stars eventually burn up and stop giving off light. After the sun is gone the only thing left of it was the light that it gave off. And once the light goes towards the end of the universe it will never hit anything else. It will always be light. The Earth and planets would be pulled into the sun and would eventually be gone too.

<first post on here, hi everyone!>

As stated already there's no 'end' to the universe per se, you seem to be dismissing curvature. Also light wouldn't travel for ever in the way you're describing, not only will it get absorbed by other matter et.c but it follows a geodesic, i.e it follows the curvature of spacetime. You may need to do some background reading on GR, and some basic principles of cosmology.

You seem to be visualizing the universe as though it's within another arena, as though it has a boundary or edge, but that isn't the accepted cosmological view, the universe is 'where', there's no outside of the universe. Not sure if that helps at all ?
 
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What I am saying is that the energy from the stars eventually burn up and stop giving off light. After the sun is gone the only thing left of it was the light that it gave off. And once the light goes towards the end of the universe it will never hit anything else. It will always be light. The Earth and planets would be pulled into the sun and would eventually be gone too.
Not even photons can escape the observable universe. The question is moot.
 
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Not even photons can escape the observable universe.


there are many holes in that argument- and they are all black (^__-)
 
bassplayer142 said:
it should end with a lot of light and some gas.
To make any speculation about the future evolution of the universe is an extreme extrapolation based on the observational data we have today. That being said and accepted, if the universe expands forever and it accelerates the expansion (as we assume it will happen), then it will reach asymptotically a state of no change, or thermal death, that you could regard as its "end". In this state it will actually contain photons (light) and some gas (other elementary particles). However, they will be so diluted that space will be nearly empty. You can read about the end of an universe with accelerated expansion here.
 
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From what I know:

1. The Big Crunch Theory...

Results in gigantic black holes before the end of the universe.

2. The Speeding Up Theory...

Universe will continue to expand due to dark matter.

The answer to your question...

The light will probably be reflected off or absorbed by dust, and will eventually have a (limit to infinity) wavelength.
 
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The universe's potential energy gets converted into photons in one way or another. The light released by starts has little or no effect on other star system s because of vast distances between them. Therefore we can assume the light from stars will travel in all directions ad infinitum, long after the host starts are dead.

So I agree, ultimately, if the universe has no boundaries, and has finite energy, the light will be all that's left, plus chunks of matter unable to release more energy. That's one possible scenario. But we don't know enough about dark matter, energy.
 

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