Energies of a particle in a box vs. free particle?

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of energy states for a particle in a box versus a free particle, particularly in the context of reconciling quantum mechanics with special relativity. Participants explore the implications of energy equations and the transition from confined to free states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the energy states for a particle in a box approach zero as the length L increases, suggesting that the particle becomes effectively free.
  • This same participant expresses confusion about the apparent contradiction between the energy of a free particle being its rest-mass energy (E = mc²) and the zero energy predicted for a very large box.
  • Another participant points out that the energy levels mentioned are derived from non-relativistic quantum mechanics, implying that relativistic effects are not included.
  • A subsequent reply suggests considering relativistic quantum mechanics as a way to address the issue.
  • One participant provides a classical perspective on the relativistic energy equation, highlighting the difference in treatment of the rest mass energy term in non-relativistic mechanics and quantum mechanics.
  • The same participant reiterates the classical understanding of energy without a potential, emphasizing the distinction between classical and quantum treatments.
  • A later reply expresses interest in learning more about relativistic quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to reconcile the energy states of a particle in a box with those of a free particle, and multiple competing views regarding the treatment of relativistic effects remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of non-relativistic quantum mechanics in addressing relativistic scenarios and the assumptions involved in the energy equations presented.

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I think I'm trying to reconcile quantum mechanics and special relativity . . . or whatever I'm doing I'm pretty confused.

Ok, so the allowed energy states for a particle in a box are

E_n = \frac{\hbar^2 \pi^2}{2 m L^2} n^2.

This seems to mean, as you increase the length L, the particle's energy will tend towards zero. When L becomes very large, the particle will be essentially free, and according to the above equation will have an energy of E~0.

But the minimum energy of a free particle should be its rest-mass energy, E = mc^2, not zero. Also, the ground state (n = 0) energy of a particle in a box is inversely proportional to mass, while the ground state energy of a free particle is directly proportional to its mass.

How do you reconcile these ideas from quantum mechanics and relativity?
 
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The allowed energy levels you have written are derived from the non-relativistic quantum mechanics formalism. Therefore, you won't find relativistic terms.
 
Hmm, so is there a relatively simple way to think about the particle in a box including relativity?
 
Try relativistic quantum mechanics; it's the way to go.
 
The problem can already be understood classically; w/o taking into account a potential V(x) the relativistic energy is

E=\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\simeq mc^2 + \frac{1}{2}v^2

in non-rel. mechanics you forget about the mc² term; in non-rel. QM you quantize only the v² term
 
tom.stoer said:
The problem can already be understood classically; w/o taking into account a potential V(x) the relativistic energy is

E=\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\simeq mc^2 + \frac{1}{2}v^2

in non-rel. mechanics you forget about the mc² term; in non-rel. QM you quantize only the v² term

Interesting... maybe one day I'll learn relativistic QM...
 

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