Entanglement and String Theory

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of quantum entanglement and its relationship with string theory. Participants explore the implications of entanglement within quantum mechanics and question whether string theory provides additional insights into this phenomenon. The conversation touches on theoretical, conceptual, and philosophical aspects of quantum mechanics and string theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express fascination with quantum entanglement and seek to understand its physical meaning beyond the mathematical framework of quantum mechanics.
  • One participant argues that string theory is not yet capable of providing deeper insights into entanglement, suggesting that if there were intuitive explanations, they would already be established in textbooks.
  • Another participant shares a quote from Roger Penrose, discussing the relationship between quantum and classical physics and suggesting that quantum theory may be an approximate theory needing a new framework.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the definitions of quantum and classical levels, particularly in light of observations of quantum behavior in larger molecules like fullerenes.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that quantum theory is merely approximate, emphasizing the robustness of entanglement as a well-established phenomenon in both theory and experiment.
  • There is a mention of black hole entropy and its potential connection to entanglement entropy within the context of string theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of quantum theory, with some asserting its fundamental soundness while others suggest it may be an approximate theory. There is no consensus on the implications of string theory for understanding entanglement, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between these concepts.

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Participants highlight limitations in defining quantum and classical realms, as well as the ongoing debate about the interpretations of quantum mechanics and the implications of entanglement. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the status of quantum theory and its relationship to string theory.

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I'm a physics undergraduate (2nd year), and I'm just learning the basics of Quantum Mechanics. As you would expect, I've been fascinated by the elegance and...paradoxes involved. My question here is about the phenomenon of entanglement. I know the mathematics of it, but when I asked my professor: what does entanglement actually mean?, he said that no one knows physically, all we can say is that QM is a non-local theory.
The question I pose here is this: Quantum mechanics cannot tell us anymore about this phenomenon, what does String Theory (or any other scientific hypothesis) have to say about it? Does string theory offer some inside into this strange phenomenon?
 
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String theory is not at the stage to produce insightful reasons for concepts such as entanglement and such, if there's any deeper understandable reasoning behind such phenomena, at all...

If there was a good intuitive reason, it would be in textbooks already. So you just have to live with the subtleties (I wouldn't use the word "paradox") QM poses...like everyone else.
 
Qubix said:
The question I pose here is this: Quantum mechanics cannot tell us anymore about this phenomenon, what does String Theory (or any other scientific hypothesis) have to say about it?

Entanglement is a fundamental part of quantum mechanics, and string theory is a quantum theory.
 
Here's most of a post I made in the last few days on another thread...you might find the view interesting and ask your professor...likely he won't like it based on your post because it disagrees...

The following quote is from Roger Penrose celebrating Stephen Hawking 60th birthday in 1993 at Cambridge England...this description offered me a new insight into quantum/classical relationships:

Either we do physics on a large scale, in which case we use classical level physics;the equations of Newton, Maxwell or Einstein and these equations are deterministic, time symmetric and local. Or we may do quantum theory, if we are looking at small things; then we tend to use a different framework where time evolution is described... by what is called unitary evolution...which in one of the most familiar descriptions is the evolution according to the Schrödinger equation: deterministic, time symmetric and and local. These are exactly the same words I used to describe classical physics.

However this is not the entire story... In addition we require what is called the "reduction of the state vector" or "collapse" of the wave function to describe the procedure that is adopted when an effect is magnified from the quantum to the classical level...quantum state reduction isnon deterministic,time-asymmetric and non local...The way we do quantum mechanics is to adopt a strange procedure which always seems to work...the superposition of alternative probabilities involving w,z, complex numbers...an essential ingredient of the Schrödinger euqation. When you magnify to the classical level you take the squared modulii (of w, z) and these do give you the alternative probabilities of the two alternatives to happen...it is a completely different process from the quantum (realm) where the complex numbers w and z remain as constants "just sitting there"...in fact the key to..keeping them sitting there is quantum linearity...
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and he goes on to relate this linearity and superposition to the double slit experiment.

So I finally "get" what Zapper was stating in another thread about quantum consistency...
the "ambiguity" is in the classical to quantum interface and conversion...YET

Penrose goes on to say

My own view is that quantum theory is an approximate theory and we have to seek some new theory which supplants all three procedues.. classical, reduction and quantum...

(He subsequently notes lots of people would not agree)

(The above comes from The Penrose lecture, The problem of spacetime singularities:implications for quantum gravity, pages 63-67, THE FUTURE OF THEORETICAL PHYSICS AND COSMOLOGY, 1993..)
 
Naty1 said:
However this is not the entire story... In addition we require what is called the "reduction of the state vector" or "collapse" of the wave function to describe the procedure that is adopted when an effect is magnified from the quantum to the classical level...quantum state reduction isnon deterministic,time-asymmetric and non local...

Thank you for your answer Naty1. Keeping in mind the fact that we don't actually know what the quantum level or classical level mean (although some authors of textbooks say that we should compare the size of the object to it's de Broglie wavelength, and if the object is larger than the wavelength, we're talking classical). This explanation does not give us a clear definition of the two terms, since they have discovered quantum behavior in fullerene (hope I spelled it correctly) molecules, which are quite large objects, compared to photons or electrons.
Another thing I would add is what John Bell said in his (rather violent and ironic) article in Nature, entitled "Against Measurement" : what gives us the right to say one system acts upon another, isn't wave function collapse going on all the time, more or less ?
 
Naty1 said:
My own view is that quantum theory is an approximate theory and we have to seek some new theory which supplants all three procedues.. classical, reduction and quantum...

Considering the well-known facts that Quantum Theory has been the most successful theory in physics, and there's not even a single glimpse of experimental evidence suggesting Quantum Theory is an "approximate" theory , I think that even merely suggesting that the theory is approximate is not scientific at all - to say the least, no matter who states it.

You can disagree on interpretations or you can disagree on unexplained experiments, - but you cannot disagree with a fundamental phenomenon like Entanglement, which is both theoretically and experimentally very sound - just because Roger Penrose "thinks so"..

It's quite misleading to even bring that up here. Because it's not science. It's just somebody's opinion, and I am sure everybody has their own.
 
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sokrates said:
Considering the well-known facts that Quantum Theory has been the most successful theory in physics, and there's not even a single glimpse of experimental evidence suggesting Quantum Theory is an "approximate" theory , I think that even merely suggesting that the theory is approximate is not scientific at all - to say the least, no matter who states it.

You can disagree on interpretations or you can disagree on unexplained experiments, - but you cannot disagree with a fundamental phenomenon like Entanglement, which is both theoretically and experimentally very sound - just because Roger Penrose "thinks so"..

Well, he was probably referring to the fact that QM is not a deterministic theory, and people still hope, after almost a hundred years, that the "romantic years" of determinism will, somehow, return. I agree with the fact that it's only an opinion.

So from what I understand, from your answers, String Theory has it's basis on Quantum Mechanics and it cannot give us anymore detail into the quantum world, other than what Quantum Mechanics has already given us?
 
In classical general relativity, there was Bekenstein's suggestion that the area of a black hole is proportional to its entropy.

In semi-classical general relativity, a formula for the black hole entropy was computed by Hawking.

In string theory, there is a formulation of gravity (in some universes) as a quantum field theory on the boundary of the space. It appears that some of the black hole entropy may be "entanglement entropy". http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.0932
 

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