Equation in a paper about Dicke states

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of equation (4) from the paper 'Entanglement detection in the vicinity of arbitrary Dicke states'. The equation is expressed as $$\langle J^2_{x} \rangle_{\mu} = \sum_{i_1,i_2} \langle J_{xi_{_1}} \rangle_{\mu} \langle J_{xi_{_2}} \rangle_{\mu} + \sum_{i}\langle ( \Delta J_{xi})^2 \rangle_{\mu}$$. Participants confirm that this equation is a reformulation of the variance expression $$\sigma^2 = \langle (\Delta x)^2 \rangle = \langle x^2 \rangle - \langle x \rangle^2$$. The relationship between the average and variance of the operators is established, demonstrating how the components of the Dicke states contribute to the overall equation.

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Can anyone with basic knowledge of Dicke States assist with explaining how we arrive at equation (4) in the paper 'Entanglement detection in the vicinity of arbitrary Dicke states': <Moderator's note: link fixed>

$$\langle J^2_{x} \rangle_{\mu} = \sum_{i_1,i_2} \langle J_{xi_{_1}} \rangle_{\mu} \langle J_{xi_{_2}} \rangle_{\mu} + \sum_{i}\langle ( \Delta J_{xi})^2 \rangle_{\mu}~~~~~~~~~~~~~(4)$$

Any assistance is appreciated.
 
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I am not very knowledgeable about Dicke states, but isn't that equation simply a rewriting of
$$
\sigma^2 = \langle (\Delta x)^2 \rangle = \langle x^2 \rangle - \langle x \rangle^2
$$
 
@DrClaude Yes I think you are correct. Since ##J_{x}= \sum_{i=1}^{k}J_{xi}## it follows that $$\langle J_{x} \rangle^{2}_{\mu} = \langle \sum_{i=1}^{k}J_{xi} \rangle_{\mu}^{2} = \sum_{i_1, i_2} \langle J_{xi_1}\rangle_{\mu}\langle J_{xi_2} \rangle_{\mu}$$ and $$\langle ( \Delta J_x )^2 \rangle = \sum_{i} \langle ( \Delta J_{xi})^2 \rangle_{\mu}$$ hence $$\sum_{i}\langle ( \Delta J_{xi})^2 \rangle_{\mu} = \langle J^2_{x} \rangle_{\mu} - \sum_{i_1,i_2}\langle J_{xi_{1}}\rangle_{\mu}\langle J_{xi_2}\rangle_{\mu}$$
 

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