Undergrad Equations Using Comma-Goto-Semicolon Rule in Curved Spacetime

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The discussion focuses on two approaches to derive wave equations for a light beam in curved spacetime, starting from the Helmholtz equation in Minkowski spacetime. The first approach applies the paraxial approximation to yield a scalar wave equation, while the second approach uses the comma-goto-semicolon rule directly on the Helmholtz equation, leading to inconsistencies when metrics are applied. The participant believes the second approach is more accurate due to the symmetry of the Helmholtz equation. Questions arise regarding the proper notation for covariant derivatives and the conditions necessary for applying the comma-goto-semicolon rule. The discussion highlights the complexities of transitioning from flat to curved spacetime equations and the nuances of mathematical notation.
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What conditions should a physical equation satisfy so that the comma-goto-semicolon rule can be applied to it?
Recently, I am considering the wave equations of a light beam in curved spacetime. Here I have two approaches. Both start from the Helmholtz equation ##\psi^{,\mu}_{~~,\mu}=\eta^{\mu\nu}\psi_{,\mu,\nu}=0## in the Minkowski spacetime, and ##\psi## is assumed to be ##T(x,y,z)e^{ik(z-t)}##.

In the first approach, I could impose the paraxial approximation on the Helmholtz equation yielding the scalar wave equation ##2ik T_{,3}=\eta^{ij}T_{,i,j} ## where ##i## and ## j## run in the spatial coordinates. Then I write its counterpart in curved spacetime according to the comma-goto-semicolon rule yielding ##2ik T_{;3}=g^{ij}T_{;i;j} .##

In the other approach, I would first use the comma-goto-semicolon rule on the Helmholtz equation to have ##g^{\mu\nu}\psi_{;\mu;\nu}=0##. Then I express the covariant derivative by partial derivative. Along the process, the paraxial approximation is used to eliminate ##T_{,3,3}## term.

Now if I subscribe some metric to these two results, I will have inconsistent equations. In the second approach, ##g^{33}\psi_{;3;3}##, which does not appear in the first approach, will introduce some new terms. I think the second approach is correct since the Helmholtz equation is more symmetric than the scalar wave equation. This makes me wonder what condition should a equation satisfy so that I could use the comma-goto-semicolon rule to turn it into a covariant form?

BTW, when I write covariant derivative, should I write ##T(x,y,z)_{,i}## or ##T_{,i}(x,y,z)##? Also, if there are two covariant derivatives, should I write ##T_{;i;j}## or ##T_{;ij}##?

Thanks!
 
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Also, if there are two covariant derivatives, should I write T;i;j or T;ij?
I observe ##:i:j## is used e.g. ##T_{:i:j}## in Dirac's text I have.
 
The "comma-to-semicolon"/##\partial##-to-##\nabla## rule is not always clear-cut. To give another example, consider the Maxwell equation ##\partial_{\mu} F^{\mu \nu} = 4\pi j^{\nu}##, which in terms of the vector potential reads\begin{align*}
\partial_{\mu} \partial^{\mu} A^{\nu} - \partial_{\mu} \partial^{\nu} A^{\mu} &= 4\pi j^{\nu} \ \ \ (\dagger) \\ \overset{\mathrm{curved \ spacetime}}{\implies} \nabla_{\mu} \nabla^{\mu} A^{\nu} - \nabla_{\mu} \nabla^{\nu} A^{\mu} &= 4\pi j^{\nu} \ \ \ (\mathrm{a})
\end{align*}On the other hand, since ##\partial_{\mu} \partial^{\nu} = \partial^{\nu} \partial_{\mu}## then one can re-write ##(\dagger)## as\begin{align*}
\partial_{\mu} \partial^{\mu} A^{\nu} - \partial^{\nu} \partial_{\mu} A^{\mu} &= 4\pi j^{\nu} \\ \overset{\mathrm{curved \ spacetime}}{\implies} \nabla_{\mu} \nabla^{\mu} A^{\nu} - \nabla^{\nu} \nabla_{\mu} A^{\mu} &= 4\pi j^{\nu} \ \ \ (\mathrm{b})
\end{align*}If one defines a "curvature" operator ##\nabla_{\mu} \nabla^{\nu} - \nabla^{\nu} \nabla_{\mu} \equiv {R^{\nu}}_{\mu}## then one can re-write this last equation as\begin{align*}
\nabla_{\mu} \nabla^{\mu} A^{\nu} - \nabla_{\mu} \nabla^{\nu} A^{\mu} + {R^{\nu}}_{\mu} A^{\mu} &= 4\pi j^{\nu} \ \ \ (\mathrm{c})
\end{align*}The equations ##(\mathrm{a})## and ##(\mathrm{c})## differ by this term ##{R^{\nu}}_{\mu} A^{\mu}##.
 
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