Equivalent Expressions: Solve Energy Spectrum Transcendental Equation

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The discussion revolves around a transcendental equation related to the energy spectrum in a specific research context. Participants explore the relationship between two expressions that are claimed to be equivalent, seeking to demonstrate their consistency within the theoretical framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transcendental equation for the energy spectrum and seeks to derive an equivalent expression found in the literature.
  • Another participant asserts that the two expressions presented are not equal.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges an error in the initial formulation and provides a corrected version of the equations, yet still struggles to derive the equivalent expression.
  • Another participant reiterates that the corrected expressions are also not equal.
  • A suggestion is made to use a trigonometric identity involving cotangent to manipulate the expressions, with a caution about signs and square roots.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the equivalence of the expressions, with multiple views presented regarding their equality and the validity of the transformations attempted.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the transformations between the expressions, as well as potential dependencies on the parameters involved in the equations.

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In my research project I arrived at a particular case where the energy spectrum is given by the following transcendental equation

<br /> \sqrt{-\frac{E}{E+V_D}}=\tan\frac{a\sqrt{\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}(E+V_D)}}{2}<br />

In the literature I found the equivalent expression below

<br /> \cot a\sqrt{-\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}E}=\frac{2E+V_D}{2\sqrt{-E(E+V_D)}}<br />

From the first expression I should get to the second one in order to show the consistency of the theory. But, no matter I have tried, I couldn't find out a solution for this problem.

Can anyone help me, please?
 
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Those are not equal.
 
You are right. There's an error now corrected:
<br /> \sqrt{-\frac{E}{E+V_D}}=\tan\frac{a\sqrt{\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}(E+V_D)}}{2}<br />

<br /> \cot a\sqrt{\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}(E+V_D)}=\frac{2E+V_D}{2 \sqrt{-E(E+V_D)}}<br />

The eigenvalue E=-20.54769241 (for parameters V_D=50, a=1, m=1, hbar=1), for example, satisfies both equations.

Still I'm not able to arrive at the other formula.

I tried tan(x/2)=csc(x)-cot(x), etc.
 
Those aren't equal either.
 
how about using:

2cot(x)=((1/tan(x/2)) - tan(x/2))

then plug in for tan(x/2), where x=a\sqrt(2m(E+V)/hbar^2), using the LHS of your first expression... and I guess be careful about signs and square roots.
 
Thank you olgranpappy and vanadium50 for your valuable help.
 

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