Equivalent gravitational forces in other galaxies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concept of gravitational forces in galaxies, particularly focusing on the possibility of non-spherically symmetric gravitational fields due to the distribution of stars. Participants consider how gravitational force might vary with distance and direction in asymmetric galaxies, and the implications of such variations for gravitational models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational force could be modeled as $$f(\vec{e}_r)/r^{\alpha}$$ where $$\alpha$$ is near but not equal to 2, suggesting a non-spherical distribution of mass in galaxies.
  • One participant questions the interpretation of gravitational forces, emphasizing that the force must be conservative and that weaker gravitational attraction in one direction must be compensated by stronger attraction in another direction.
  • Another participant agrees that gravitational pull could vary in different directions near an asymmetric galaxy, but argues that a more complex formula is needed to account for the contributions of multiple point-like masses rather than a simple point particle formula.
  • One participant introduces the idea that gravity varies based on distance from a central mass, citing the effects of the Moon and Sun on Earth's tides as an example.
  • Another participant references the Juno gravity science probe, which uses variations in gravity to infer density distributions within Jupiter, suggesting that similar principles could apply to galaxies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of gravitational forces in galaxies, with no consensus reached on the specific models or implications of gravitational variation in asymmetric distributions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of gravitational interactions and the need for models that account for multiple masses, but do not resolve the mathematical or theoretical implications of their discussions.

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Could it be imagined that due to a particular stars' distribution in a galaxy the gravitational force felt would be like $$f(\vec{e}_r)/r^{\alpha}$$ where $$\alpha\neq 2$$ but near 2 and f a non spherically symmetric function (like a comet around a flat galaxy) ?
 
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What do you mean by "like a comet around a flat galaxy"?

The force has to be conservative, ##\displaystyle \int_0^\infty \frac{f(\vec e_r)}{r^\alpha} dr## has to be the same for all directions. If you have a weaker gravitational attraction in some direction at some point you need a stronger one in this direction at a different point.
 
jk22 said:
Could it be imagined that due to a particular stars' distribution in a galaxy the gravitational force felt would be like $$f(\vec{e}_r)/r^{\alpha}$$ where $$\alpha\neq 2$$ but near 2 and f a non spherically symmetric function (like a comet around a flat galaxy) ?

So basically, could the strength of the gravitational pull of an asymmetric galaxy e different in different directions at distances that are near to the galaxy relative to infinity?

If I understand you correctly, yes. It could. But, the formula you use is a point particle formula like the one in your post, and you'd need instead a formula that captures the sum of gravitational pulls from a whole host of different point-like masses. ∑ (f(i)/ri2 for i=1 . . . . billions of stars, which would create an effective force with r != 2 for an arbitrary point in space used to represent the galaxy as a whole.
 
jk22 said:
Could it be imagined that due to a particular stars' distribution in a galaxy the gravitational force felt would be like $$f(\vec{e}_r)/r^{\alpha}$$ where $$\alpha\neq 2$$ but near 2 and f a non spherically symmetric function (like a comet around a flat galaxy) ?

If r is measured from the center of the Earth's then gravity does vary. The Moon and Sun cause tides everyday.

Juno's gravity science probe flips your question. It is using differences in gravity to detect the density distribution of mass inside Jupiter.
 

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