Erdos conjecture on arithmetic progression

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The discussion revolves around the Erdős conjecture on arithmetic progressions, which posits that if the sum of the reciprocals of a large set of natural numbers diverges, then the set contains arithmetic progressions of any given length. Participants explore the implications of this conjecture, its relation to known results like Szemerédi's theorem and the Green–Tao theorem, and the validity of a proposed proof.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof attempting to show that the conjecture holds by analyzing the divergence of certain series related to arithmetic progressions.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of the proof, noting that it does not address the properties of a general large set A, and highlights that the conjecture remains unproven even for sequences of length 3.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "length of 3" in the context of the conjecture.
  • Concerns are raised about the proof's reliance on specific arithmetic sequences rather than demonstrating the conjecture for arbitrary infinite sets.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed proof and its applicability to the conjecture. There is no consensus on the proof's correctness or its implications for the conjecture.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the conjecture is still unsolved and that the proof provided may not adequately address the conjecture's requirements regarding arbitrary large sets.

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I read this through wikipedia and some other sources and find it to be unsolved. Erdos offer a prize of $5000 to prove it. A mathematician at UW has looked at it and verify them to be correct. However, i still have some doubt about it because the proof i give is pretty simple. Can anyone take a look at it?
STATEMENT AND DEFINITION from wikipedia

Formally, if

\sum_{n\in A} \frac{1}{n} = \infty

(i.e. A is a large set) then A contains arithmetic progressions of any given length.

If true, the theorem would generalize Szemerédi's theorem.

Erdős offered a prize of US$3000 for a proof of this conjecture at the time. The problem is currently worth US$5000.

The Green–Tao theorem on arithmetic progressions in the primes is a special case of this conjecture

Proof

For positive arithmetic progression which d ≥ 1

let's say f(x) = 1/n + 1/(n+d) + 1/(n+2d) + ...+1/(n+xd)

then n.f(x) = n/n + n/(n+d) + n/(n+2d) +...+n/(n+xd) = 1 + 1/(1+d/n) + 1/(1+2d/n) +...1/(1+xd/n)

x starts at 1 and goes to infinity, then there are some x that could be divisible by n,

then n.f(x) = 1 + 1/(1+d/n) +...1/(1+d) + 1/(1+xd/n) +...1/(1+2d)+...

n.f(x) = a(x) + b(x) + c(x) +...

a(x) = 1 + 1/(1+d) + 1/(1+2d) +...

hence f(x) = a(x)/n + b(x)/n +...

now, a new function series m(x) = a(x) - 1 = 1/(1+d) + 1/(1+2d) +...

defined a new function n(x) = 1/(d+d) + 1/(d+2d) + 1/(d+3d) +... = 1/2d + 1/3d + 1/4d +...= (1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5+...)/d

Thus, (1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5+...) diverges so does (1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5+...)/d, then n(x) diverges, m(x) > n(x), hence m(x) diverges, m(x) + 1 diverges, therefore a(x) diverges, that mean a(x)/n diverges for all n, then f(x) diverges.

For negative arithmetic progression which d ≥ 1 ; d > n

let's say f(x) = 1/n + 1/(n-d) + 1/(n-2d) + ...+1/(n-xd)

Using the same method above: f(x) = (1+ 1/(1-d) + 1/(1-2d) + 1/(1-3d) + ...)/n + b(x)/n +...

a(x)=1 + 1/(1-d) + 1/(1-2d) + 1/(1-3d) + ... = negative result =∞ when d = 1, therefore we have to prove d > 1

Now, m(x) = a(x) - 1 = 1/(1-d) + 1/(1-2d) + 1/(1-3d) + ...

n(x) ≥ m(x)

because n(x) = 1/(-d-d) + 1/(-d-2d) + ...= 1/(-2d) + 1/(-3d) + ... = - (1/2+1/3+1/4+...)/d = ∞

Hence f(x) diverges

now we have proved d ≥ 1

But considered f(x) = 1/(n+y) + 1/(n+2y) and g(x) = 1/(n+t) + 1/(n+2t) +...

if y > t and f(x) diverges, then g(x) diverges. So 1 ≥ d is true if d ≥ 1 is true
 
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Hi, in your proof, I read various statements to the effect that the harmonic (1+1/2+1/3+1/4+...) and similar series are divergent. I do not see anything related to the properties of a given large set A.

It is interesting to note that the Erdos-conjecture you mention is not even known for arithmetic sequences of length 3. I really think someone should finally settle that.
 
what do you mean by length of 3?
 
jinchuriki300 said:
I read this through wikipedia and some other sources and find it to be unsolved. Erdos offer a prize of $5000 to prove it. A mathematician at UW has looked at it and verify them to be correct. However, i still have some doubt about it because the proof i give is pretty simple. Can anyone take a look at it?
STATEMENT AND DEFINITION from wikipedia

Formally, if

\sum_{n\in A} \frac{1}{n} = \infty

(i.e. A is a large set) then A contains arithmetic progressions of any given length.

If true, the theorem would generalize Szemerédi's theorem.

Erdős offered a prize of US$3000 for a proof of this conjecture at the time. The problem is currently worth US$5000.

The Green–Tao theorem on arithmetic progressions in the primes is a special case of this conjecture

Proof

For positive arithmetic progression which d ≥ 1

let's say f(x) = 1/n + 1/(n+d) + 1/(n+2d) + ...+1/(n+xd)

then n.f(x) = n/n + n/(n+d) + n/(n+2d) +...+n/(n+xd) = 1 + 1/(1+d/n) + 1/(1+2d/n) +...1/(1+xd/n)

x starts at 1 and goes to infinity, then there are some x that could be divisible by n,

then n.f(x) = 1 + 1/(1+d/n) +...1/(1+d) + 1/(1+xd/n) +...1/(1+2d)+...

n.f(x) = a(x) + b(x) + c(x) +...

a(x) = 1 + 1/(1+d) + 1/(1+2d) +...

hence f(x) = a(x)/n + b(x)/n +...

now, a new function series m(x) = a(x) - 1 = 1/(1+d) + 1/(1+2d) +...

defined a new function n(x) = 1/(d+d) + 1/(d+2d) + 1/(d+3d) +... = 1/2d + 1/3d + 1/4d +...= (1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5+...)/d

Thus, (1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5+...) diverges so does (1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5+...)/d, then n(x) diverges, m(x) > n(x), hence m(x) diverges, m(x) + 1 diverges, therefore a(x) diverges, that mean a(x)/n diverges for all n, then f(x) diverges.

For negative arithmetic progression which d ≥ 1 ; d > n

let's say f(x) = 1/n + 1/(n-d) + 1/(n-2d) + ...+1/(n-xd)

Using the same method above: f(x) = (1+ 1/(1-d) + 1/(1-2d) + 1/(1-3d) + ...)/n + b(x)/n +...

a(x)=1 + 1/(1-d) + 1/(1-2d) + 1/(1-3d) + ... = negative result =∞ when d = 1, therefore we have to prove d > 1

Now, m(x) = a(x) - 1 = 1/(1-d) + 1/(1-2d) + 1/(1-3d) + ...

n(x) ≥ m(x)

because n(x) = 1/(-d-d) + 1/(-d-2d) + ...= 1/(-2d) + 1/(-3d) + ... = - (1/2+1/3+1/4+...)/d = ∞

Hence f(x) diverges

now we have proved d ≥ 1

But considered f(x) = 1/(n+y) + 1/(n+2y) and g(x) = 1/(n+t) + 1/(n+2t) +...

if y > t and f(x) diverges, then g(x) diverges. So 1 ≥ d is true if d ≥ 1 is true
I don't see where you taken an arbitary infinite random set of numbers and shown that if the sum of the recipricals diverges i.e. equals infinity then the random set of numbers contains arithmetic progressions of any given length. It looks like you chose specific arithmetic sequences, not infinite random sets of numbers.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdős_conjecture_on_arithmetic_progressions
for a statement of the conjecture
 
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