Escaping the Impending Heat Death of the Universe: A Possibility or a Fantasy?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibilities of escaping the impending heat death of the universe, particularly through concepts such as traversable wormholes and the creation of baby universes. Participants explore various scientific theories and constraints related to these ideas, including quantum inequalities and the nature of cosmic expansion.

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  • One participant questions whether quantum inequalities are fundamental constraints or merely engineering challenges that could be overcome by an advanced civilization in the context of creating traversable wormholes.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of creating a baby universe, raising questions about the speed at which these universes pinch off and whether anything could pass into them from our universe.
  • One participant asserts a working assumption that avoiding a big crunch is impossible, citing the speed of light as a barrier to crossing into another universe.
  • Another participant argues against the possibility of a big crunch, suggesting that a massive source of energy necessary for such an event cannot exist due to the conditions following the big bang.
  • A later reply challenges the assertion about the big crunch, indicating disagreement with the previous claim.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the existence of a big crunch and the feasibility of escaping the heat death of the universe. The discussion remains unresolved with differing opinions on the underlying physics and implications of the proposed theories.

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Participants reference various theoretical constraints, such as quantum inequalities and the nature of cosmic expansion, without reaching consensus on their implications or validity in the context of escaping the universe's fate.

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I read an article by Michio Kaku about how a highly advanced civilization might be able to escape the impending heat death of the universe by going to another one. I have a few questions.

1) He says that a wormhole to a parallel universe would have to be held open with negative energy. But according to Thomas Roman, Larry Ford, etc, quantum inequalities place restrictions on how much negative energy can be amassed, thus making the construction of traversable wormholes highly unlikely. So are quantum inequalities fundamental constraints like the speed of light, or are they merely engineering challenges that can be overcome by a highly advanced civilization?

2) Kaku also mentions the possibility of creating a baby universe in a lab, perhaps by particle collisions. However, from what I've read about inflationary cosmology, these universes pinch off very quickly and expand in their own space-times, forever separated from ours. Exactly how quickly do they pinch off? Could anything pass into them from this universe? Could negative energy hold the portals to these baby universes open, or would quantum inequalities render that impossible?

Thanks.
 
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It is only my working assumption but I propose that it is not possible to avoid the big crunch.

It is not possible to cross the boundary of the speed of light. You can go faster or slower but not pass through it.

A universe can only be created outside our universe otherwise it would be able to expand into our universe. We cannot get outside our universe without going faster than the speed of light.

This is why people are always able to come up with strong arguments against ideas such as those of Kaku.

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There will be no big crunch. For there to be a big crunch there would have to be a massive source of energy at an epicenter such as would have the means to draw all matter and space back to it. And that simply cannot be because the source of energy with that capability was blown to smithereens as part and parcel to the big bang. Anyway, that is how I see it.
 
Capernicus said:
There will be no big crunch. For there to be a big crunch there would have to be a massive source of energy ...
As I said in your other thread, this is not true.
 

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