Essential Amino Acids - Get Your Daily Requirements

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The discussion centers around the concept of limiting amino acids in the context of dietary protein sources, particularly focusing on how different foods can complement each other to meet essential amino acid requirements. Participants explore the implications of consuming incomplete proteins and the necessity of combining various protein sources to achieve a balanced intake of essential amino acids.

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  • One participant questions whether the presence of a limiting amino acid affects the functionality of other amino acids in protein synthesis.
  • Another participant explains the concept of complementary protein sources, suggesting that combining different proteins can help achieve a complete amino acid profile.
  • A follow-up question is raised about whether amino acids that are not in sufficient quantities can still be utilized for protein synthesis.
  • It is noted that while some amino acids can still function, a complete intake of all essential amino acids is necessary for normal body function.
  • A participant expresses a viewpoint on the challenges of obtaining sufficient protein from a vegan diet compared to diets including animal products.

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Participants express differing views on the adequacy of plant-based diets for meeting protein needs, with some suggesting that complementary proteins can suffice while others highlight the difficulties faced by vegans in achieving sufficient protein intake.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the completeness of various protein sources and the daily requirements for essential amino acids, which may not be universally agreed upon.

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Hi there

When talking about limiting amino acids what does it really mean...
What I think it means is say we have a food eg wheat it has all the essential amino acids (aa) in it except one of them is not in the correct amount we need...does this mean that all the other aa present will not work or they will work but just limited to the limiting aa and the other amount will be degraded??--is this correct?

Also if essential aa needs are so low then would it be possible to say eat a burger (which said had 4/9 essential aa) and then say another food which had the other 5 essential aa would that be OK for the daily requirement?...so really we only have to eat a tiny bit in everyday life to get the aa??

Thanks in advance_06er
 
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You're talking about complementary protein sources in the human diet.
Complete protein, like egg, has a well balanced array of amino acids, wheat flour does not have such a nicely balanced array... So, when you are using a poorly balanced protein as your primary protein source you need to add a different protein source that has more of the missing amino acid - example: beans and corn.

Assume humans require just three amino acids : a, b, and c.
And that a perfect protein (the usual gold standard is egg) is 10 units of a, 10 units of b, and 10 units of c.

Then when you eat protein that is a-1 b-10 c-10, you are short on a.
But if you also eat protein at the same time a source that is a-8 b-1 c-1, you get a more nearly complete protein intake.

If you are really interested, play with NAL from the USDA. The data in it is sometimes used to construct those "nutrition labels" for foods sold in the US and elsewhere, when the company packaging the food doesn't have access to a nutrition analysis laboratory.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
 
Hi

Thanks fo rthe reply
But say you eat protein that is a-1 b-10 c-10, would 'b' and 'c' still "work"
 
Yes, the amino acids you get will "work" for making proteins that only require those and the non-essential amino acids, and a small percentage of the ones you are deficient in will be made. But, unused amino acids don't linger around, so you can't eat half of them today and the other half tomorrow and be okay. You need to have all of them in your diet each day to build all the proteins you need for normal body function.
 
Moonbears example is a good reason why most Vegans look like crap.. especially the athletes.

it is EXTREMELY difficult to get enough protein without animal products. Prior to the industrial age it would have been impossible.
 

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