Ethnocentrism and neoconservatism vs. Islamism

[Aquamarine]

Regarding natural resources, North Korea and previously China and many other communist nations had and has great such and a supposed high iq. They still failed miserably economically.

Regarding Botswana, tourism is not a natural resource but something one create. Diamonds are important but still only provide 1/3 of GDP and cannot explain more than a part of economic growth. GDP/capita has increased from 50 dollars to 9000 since independence. The government has a budget surplus. 24% of GDP goes to investments, comparted to 15% for the US. It has higher literacy, lower infant mortality and better access to safe water than the african average, that from being one of the poorest nations in the world.

Regarding Uganda, is has only more recently embraced capitalism and started growing. Its debt belongs mostly to the earlier period and the the debt relief come as a reward for the economic reforms. There is a growing industrialization.

You seem to think that there is something wrong with foreign investment and people from more advanced countries providing skills. But the same thing happened in the Asian Tigers and now China and in other rapidly growing countries. These thing are not showing some weakness in the country but that they have managed to create a capitalistic system. There would be no foreign investment if the country did not create suitable climate for that. They have fought crime and violence, built infrastructure and education, secured property rights, have regulations and promote free trade.

These countries shows that also Africa can organize capitalism, have economic growth and increasing prosperity far beyond what existed during the colonial times.

But it should be noted that Africa have great problems which discourage investment and will probably make it the last continent to get investment and get developed, even apart from the little capitalism: thousands of languages and cultures; numerous diseases more rare further from the equator, often chronical like parasites which continually produce weakness; especially for foreign people, Africa was the last continent colonized due to the diseases which killed all foreign people going away from the coast; much area is drylands, mountains and rainforests unsuitable for development; little infrastructure or eduction; climate which not suitable to high productivity agriculture from for example wheat or rice; and much malnutrition in childhood which may decrease iq and vitality for the rest of the persons life.

 

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Lynn & Vanhanen's second-most-important factor - market economization

Regarding natural resources, North Korea and previously China and many other communist nations had and has great such and a supposed high iq. They still failed miserably economically.

North Korea and China are negative income/IQ-regression-line outliers. China has recently adopted a market economy and is experiencing strong economic growth.

• The major systematic factor affecting national rates of economic growth and development, apart from intelligence, appears to be the extent to which countries have market economies...
  
  The best chances for strong economic growth are for countries with large negative residuals, which indicate that the country has not fully utilized its population's mental abilities. Such is the case with the former and present socialist nations of eastern Europe and eastern Asia, which can be expected to catch up with the rich nations once they have adopted market economies and have achieved political stability.

[/color](Lynn & Vanhanen. . Chapter 10: The Future of the Wealth of Nations. pp195-196.)

You seem to think that there is something wrong with foreign investment and people from more advanced countries providing skills.

If a population's IQ curve is not sufficient to support economic growth, high-mental-ability resources have to be imported. Lynn & Vanhanen state that this is the case in Botswana, and that this is also the case in Arab nations that sit on oil resources:

• Kuwait's prosperity is completely based on petroleum industries that have been established and operated by European and American oil corporations since the 1930s... It seems justified to conclude that for all of these countries with large positive residuals, the much higher-than-expected level of GDP per capita is principally due to the contribution of foreign people and technologies.

[/color](Lynn & Vanhanen. . Chapter 8: National IQs and Economic Development in 185 Countries. p145.)

There would be no foreign investment if the country did not create suitable climate for that.

Harry Oppenheimer assembled Botswana's mining-investment-friendly infrastructure. Harry Oppenheimer was not Botswanan.
http://edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/chap2.htm

• Except for the fact that Orapa is in the middle of nowhere, it might have been any suburban city. I could see ranch houses with green lawns and rectangular swimming pools laid out along a cross-grid of paved streets. There were also a shopping center, football fields, parks and high rise apartment houses.
  
  The De Beers engineer sitting next to me explained that most of the city of Orapa had in fact been prefabricated in Johannesburg in 1971, and then, piece by piece, reassembled on this stretch of desert. It had been an enormous undertaking. A road had to be bulldozed through the trackless wasteland so that trucks could move the mining equipment in, an artificial lake and a pipeline had to be constructed to bring water into Orapa, power lines had to be strung some 160 miles to the South African border, and an airstrip had to be built so that diamonds could be flown out. "This was the first mine De Beers ever developed outside of South Africa," he continued.

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These countries shows that also Africa can organize capitalism

Botswana seems to show that Harry Oppenheimer, with help from other Europeans, could organize infrastructure necessary to support his own mining operations:
http://edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/chap2.htm

• At the Orapa airstrip, it took only a moment to go through Botswana customs. Oppenheimer's headquarters had telexed ahead that I was arriving, and I was immediately issued a red badge. Without such a badge, not even a citizen of Botswana is allowed into Orapa. I remarked to the engineer about how quickly we were admitted into Botswana, considering that we did not have visas and that he was a South African citizen.
  
  "No problem," he laughed, "Harry Oppenheimer owns Botswana lock, stock and barrel." I later found out that he wasn't far wrong. Botswana, a republic with some 6 million citizens, most nomadic tribesmen, derives more than 50 percent of its national income from diamond, manganese and copper mines controlled by Harry Oppenheimer. The Botswana government is dependent on these mines for almost all its revenues and foreign exchange.

[/color](Emphasis mine.)

 

[Aquamarine]

It is mostly embarrassing to quote from "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" as evidence for the economic importance of anything when you have failed to give any answer to earlier critique in this and other threads about their failure in use of statistics and source material.

Again, in the beginning foreigners provided almost all the investment and technical expertise in the Asian Tigers. And earlier, the same thing took place for example in the Nordic countries in Europe.

Swimming pools, roads and power lines is not the important thing in capitalism. The important thing is the legal structure: The rule of law, property rights, few regulations, free trade and little violence. If the country has that, then industry and prosperity will follow. And that is what Botswana and Uganda has built. And what Argentina, Uruguay, North Korea and other high iq and resource nations did not build or broke down. Again, the black government has presided over the largest economic growth in the world for decades. And has a much more captalism than most arabic states which speaks well for the future.

Population growth rates are falling in Africa; cheap factory workers elsewhere will come to an end; the Flynn effect is increasing intelligence. In the end also the rest of Africa will have great growth and prosperity. And the western world can make this go faster by removing the enormous subsidiaries to western agriculture, removing the trade barriers for African products, stopping the environmentalist ban against DDT for malaria which induce almost continuous sickness in hundreds of millions of people each year and cancelling the debt for loans given to corrupt dictators by the western states.

 

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The diversity of Botswana's economy

Swimming pools, roads and power lines is not the important thing in capitalism. The important thing is the legal structure: The rule of law, property rights, few regulations, free trade and little violence. If the country has that, then industry and prosperity will follow.

Then why is there no export industry in Botswana, besides the De Beers mining projects?
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bc.html#Econ

• Botswana has maintained one of the world's highest growth rates since independence in 1966... Diamond mining has fueled much of the expansion and currently accounts for ... nine-tenths of export earnings... Long-term prospects are overshadowed by the expected leveling off in diamond mining production.

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http://www.abacci.com/atlas/economy3.asp?countryID=152

• Agriculture still provides a livelihood for more than 80% of the population... Subsistence farming and cattle raising predominate.

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[Aquamarine]

Then why is there no export industry in Botswana, besides the De Beers mining projects?
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bc.html#Econ

• Botswana has maintained one of the world's highest growth rates since independence in 1966... Diamond mining has fueled much of the expansion and currently accounts for ... nine-tenths of export earnings... Long-term prospects are overshadowed by the expected leveling off in diamond mining production.

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http://www.abacci.com/atlas/economy3.asp?countryID=152

• Agriculture still provides a livelihood for more than 80% of the population... Subsistence farming and cattle raising predominate.

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Still, the diamonds only accounts for 1/3 of GDP, leaving most of the growth due to other sectors. Note that growth in the non-mineral secotors have been and continue to be high. Manufacturing have had great growth, although still small in terms of employment and export. Still, about 5% of exports is products like vehicles, spare parts and textiles.

There is no doubt that diamonds have been important and that a decline would have negative effects. The same can be a said for Iceland and fishing or Norway and oil.

The British left Botswana one of the absolutely poorest countries in the world, so even decades of very high growth still means that the country is a long way from the western world. I have in the previous posts listed some factors affecting Africa negatively, meaning that it will in all likelihood be the last place to be industrialized. Still, Botswana shows that black government and black population can and have organized society in order to gain great economic success and growth.

Furthermore, you ignore the economic success stories now taking place in for example Uganda and Namibia. And contrary to the doomsayers, economic growth in South Africa is accelerating this year.

And you are ignoring that Africa as a whole is now having accelerating growth.
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/bq/Qimf-africa-economy.RVsX_DSI.html

 

[nuenke]

You make statements without any support. Provide the scientific evidence that 1) most business would rather hire Mexicans than blacks (Mexicans who in most cases do not speak English. 2) blacks are a drain and that removing them and and replacing them with whites where possible and simply not do the many unreplaceable jobs would benefit the majority of US whites.

The research I used for making the statement came from "Urban Inequality: Evidence from Four Cities" published by the Russell Sage Foundation, 2001. They interviewed businesses around and in the four cities and reported that in interviews, businesses said they preferred to hire Mexicans over Blacks.

As to question two: I think Michael Levin in "Why Race Matters" has documented how Whites have to continually transfer wealth to Blacks, and that is an economic drain--not to mention the higher crime rate of Blacks, out of wedlock births, etc. Overall, Whites flee areas where Blacks live because they do not want to live around them. The two primary factors are crime (well documented) and not well documented is the genetic distance between Whites and Blacks (see "On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethny, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration" by Frank Salter, 2003). Salter et al. has extended Hamilton's kin relationship model to include ethny relationships, and tries to show that it is in the interest of close genetic ethnies to protect there territory. Simply stated, as do whales and chimpanzees, humans are protective of their own racial kinds, and desire their own territories.

Western nations however, unlike most others, have defied our genetic interests and have adopted open borders. If this is as maladaptive as evolutionists think it is according to the models, Whites will (and possibly deserve) to cease to exist in terms of evolutionary outcomes for subspecies. If this maladaptive policy is due to our own self-indoctrination however, and if a world war breaks out between us and Islam, I think Whites will quickly lose there universal altruism and return to a more particularist group evolutionary strategy. Nonetheless, if the "genetic interest" model continues to hold up, it does show that aside from any economic benefit, there is a genetic bias in nature to protect subspecies for extinction. The single best way of preserving diverse races then is separation and non-belligerent trading and commerce between nation states.

Furthermore, black Botswana has had the strongest growth rate in the world since its independence. Another black capitalistic economic success debunking your " always a drain" theory is Uganda.

One successful nation does not "debunk" a theory, nor does one failing nation. Look at the overall trends over time. It is a little more complicated than that. That is one reason I will not quote or use any single research study or method--I like to see academic books with either a consensus from many researchers or a book with numerous references of other researchers along with cautious speculation about the validity of such research. That is how science progresses, with highly biased individual researchers battling it out between themselves until the best research, expunged of human bias, stands on its own. If "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" is flawed, it will sink into oblivion amongst other competing models. I have not seen that as yet, that is a better model, but I'm sure better models will follow, either overturning it or building upon it.

You seem to have the naive layman economic notion that there are a fixed number of jobs, and that those should be better done by whites. Note that the enormous immigration to the US in the nineteenth century did not create unemployment. More people create more jobs, there is an endless demand for products and services and thus more jobs, not a fixed demand leading to some fixed number of available jobs. There would be no involuntary unemployment in a free labor market. Note also that private companies are willing to pay for low-skilled jobs are proof that theses jobs are profitable and contributing to society. The capitalistic system is right now raising the living standards rapidly in the developing world thanks to creating enormous numbers of new low-skilled jobs. The percentage of people living on less than 1 dollar a day, have halved in 25 years. Since the number of people have increased greatly at the same time, this means that an enormous number of new jobs have been created and provided a better living to workers. There is no need to create an an ethnically determined state due to lack of jobs.

Simply stated, without welfare, affirmative action, quotas, high crime rates by Blacks, etc. that would be true. But you make my case for me. We do not have to import labor to be prosperous; we merely have to export jobs so the other countries can prosper. That is how Japan has maintained its homogenous state while competing in the international market place. Why would the United States want to further despoil its land by and destroy the environment by increasing its population? A stabilized number of people in each country is the best way to slow down population growth and give the world time to bring everyone into a the first world before too many people lead to a catastrophe. We don't how many people the world can hold, but if it grows too fast we do not have the time to test the adequacy of its holding capacity.

Even if the theory about the iq superiority of some groups ares true, this only means that those groups will have better jobs with higher salaries organizing the others. Expelling the others would in fact then be enormously stupid, forcing the more intelligent subgroups to do menial jobs with low pay.

Again, this would be ideal in a libertarian state but not in a welfare state. As technology expands, the need for intelligent labor is outpacing the need for low intelligent labor (if such a thing even exists). There are in fact quite intelligent people who because of personality or lack of drive, simply prefer simpler or more manual labor rather than being cooped up in an office or research lab. Last night I was talking to a friend who got a college degree, then spent the next 40 years working outside on the street crews for gas main repairs. He is very brilliant, but hates being inside. I come across these people all the time in blue collar jobs, and they enjoy their work because even lower skilled jobs can be fun. Not everyone intelligent needs a high IQ demanding job. Check out Mensa, find out have many of these geniuses have chosen less demanding jobs because of personality types. There is no reason why a need for more manual than intellectual jobs calculates into the need for a less intelligent work force. All of the research shows that the more intelligent a person is, the better they will do in life.

There is only one other study that I know of and it use the Lynn data and thus fails when that data is wrong. And that other study do not claim that iq is the primary factor. Please provide which peer-reviewed studies you refer too.

Link me to the study and I will take a look.

Using bad data because no other is available do not somehow make the study acceptable. They make no special provision for that much of the iq data is from young children but use it in the same way as if it were iq from adults, invalidating all of their conclusions.

Again science does not work that way. Especially in studies of human behavior, proxies, quasi studies, etc. are used all the time and as long as the data points in the same direction it holds unless it is overturned. Virtually all of the research by the social sciences would be invalid under your criteria, including those trying desperately to show that poor performance in academics by minority students is caused by the environment rather than fluid intelligence. In fact, from reading the papers on "No Child Left Behind," all one gets are ad hoc excuses why the program is failing, but never a mention about the different average intelligence of groups being the cause. Now that is PC science, and it is endemic in the social sciences. The Standard Social Science Model (SSSM) has been shown to be invalid not because of research using proxies or quasi studies or anything of that sort. It has been attacked because it has bed rock model of humans being infinitely malleable, and insular, rejecting research from other fields. For science to work, it must open to all and not condemnatory of opposing views because they are politically incorrect.