Etymology of a Curse Word

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The discussion explores the etymology of a curse word, tracing its linguistic roots from Proto-Indo-European through various languages and time periods, including Old English and Old Norse. Participants also draw connections to contemporary usage in Dutch and Indonesian.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant traces the word's origin back to Proto-Indo-European *pewg- meaning "to strike, assail," noting phonetic changes in the transition to Proto-Germanic.
  • Another participant mentions the contemporary Dutch usage of "fukken," suggesting a direct derivation from English.
  • Several posts reference the word "dua" in Indonesian, highlighting its similarity across languages and providing a detailed linguistic lineage from Proto-Malayic to Proto-Austronesian.
  • Participants express interest in the phonetic similarities and historical connections between the words in different languages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the historical connections and phonetic developments of the word, but there are multiple competing views regarding the significance and implications of these similarities across languages.

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The discussion includes various linguistic assumptions and dependencies on definitions that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of phonetic changes over time.

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Readers interested in linguistics, etymology, and the historical development of language may find this discussion informative.

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~5000 BC, Proto-Indo-Europeans:
*pewg- (to strike, assail)

NOTE: Here, Proto-Germanic tribes break away from Proto-Indo-Europeans and innovate p -> f, g -> k, d->t - you can see this in many examples if you compare latin/french and english (ped <-> foot, pater <-> father, pisc <-> fish, perd <-> fart)

~2500 B,C
*fukkona (A: to strike, B: to copulate)

~500 AD, Old English:
*fuccian (to copulate)

~600 AD, Old High German
fochon

~800 AD, Old Norse:
*fokka

~1200 AD, Middle English:
*fukken
 
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In contemporary Dutch it's still "fukken", derived from the English. "Je moet niet met me fukken"/ "don't f*ck with me" 😋
 
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Dwoh!
 
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Hornbein said:
Dwoh!
Twai!
 
In Indonesian it's dua.
 
It's just interesting that the result was so similar.
 

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