Euclid's proof of infinitude of primes

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The discussion revolves around Euclid's proof of the infinitude of prime numbers, specifically focusing on the construction of a number \( m \) as the product of a finite list of primes plus one. Participants explore the implications of this construction and the reasoning behind the contradiction that arises when assuming a finite number of primes.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the contradiction arising from the assumption that a list of primes is complete, questioning why \( m \) cannot be divided evenly by any prime in the list.
  • Another participant clarifies that \( m \) is not divisible by any prime in the list because it is constructed as \( m = p_1p_2...p_n + 1 \), leading to the conclusion that there must be a prime \( q \) not included in the original list.
  • A participant acknowledges their misunderstanding and seeks clarification on how \( m \) can be divisible by some prime \( q \) while not being divisible by any \( p_i \) from the list.
  • A detailed breakdown of the argument is provided, outlining the logical steps leading to the conclusion that if the primes were finite, \( m \) would either be a new prime or divisible by a new prime not in the original list.
  • A participant poses a question about why the argument specifically works with \( m = p_1p_2...p_n + 1 \) and not with other integers, such as \( m = p_1p_2...p_n + 2 \).

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Participants generally agree on the structure of the proof and the reasoning behind the contradiction, but there remains some uncertainty and confusion regarding specific aspects of the argument and its implications.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the fundamental theorem of arithmetic and its application in this context, as well as the specific choice of constructing \( m \) as \( p_1p_2...p_n + 1 \) versus other integers.

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Hi, I'm new into the domain of proofs, and I'm reading How to prove it - A structured approach.




I'm having a problem with the last paragraph... If m is a product of primes, and q is one of those primes taken randomly, then we should be able to divide m by q to obtain the rest of the primes(p1,p2,etc.). But we established earlier that we CANNOT divide evenly, because we will have a remainder of one (By the way, I wonder where it comes from...)So now, I understand that this is a contradiction, but I'm not sure of following the ''we have a contradiction with the assumption that this list included all prime numbers." I'm not having the same conclusion about it, how does this prove that the list doesn't have ALL primes, even if we can't divide evenly? If it really contained all the primes, should we be supposed to divide it without a remainder, is it because primes are missing that it won't divide ? Thank you for your help !
 
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But we established earlier that we CANNOT divide evenly

No, it was established that ##m = p_1p_2...p_n + 1## is not divisible by any ##p_i##, which, by assumption, include all of the prime numbers. But ##m## must be divisible by some prime number (by the fundamental theorem of arithmetic), so it follows that there is some prime ##q## dividing ##m## that isn't on our list. By contradiction, there are not only finitely many prime numbers.
 
Ah okkkkkkkkkk, now I understand.lol fail from me, I should have thought more about it. There is just one thing I don't follow, you said that the theorem of arithmetic says that m must be divisible by some prime number. If it can be divide by "q", but not by any p1,p2,etc. How does it make any sense ? (Or I didn't understand it correctly, who knows.) Thank you for your responce !
 
This is the gist of the argument:

1- The result of the multiplication of integers is an integer. Hence p_1p_2...p_n is an integer
2- The result of the addition of integers is an integer. Hence p_1p_2...p_n+1 is an integer
3- The fundamentel theorem of arithmetics states that all natural numbers different than 1 are divisible by a prime number
4- Hence m is an integer is divisible by a prime number
5- You assume that the prime numbers are finite in extension
6- If the prime numbers are finite in extension m (the number that you constructed which is an integer) can't be divided by any of the p_i of you initial list of prime numbers
7.1- Hence m itself must be a prime. But m wasn't in your initial list of "all primes that exist". Which ois absurd!
7.2 There exists another prime p_{n+1} (that wasn't in your initial list of "all primes that exist") that divides m. Absurd!

PS: Do you understand why this argument only works with m=p_1p_2...p_n+1 but doesn't work if you define m=p_1p_2...p_n+2 (or + any other positive integer different than 1)?
 

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