Euler Bernoulli Beam 4th order ODE -Balance of Units

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The discussion revolves around the balance of units in the Euler-Bernoulli beam equation, specifically examining the units involved in the fourth-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) that describes beam deflection under load. Participants explore the implications of unit consistency in the context of elasticity, moment of area, and distributed loads.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation and attempts to calculate the units, concluding that the left-hand side does not equal the right-hand side.
  • Another participant clarifies that the second derivatives have units of ##1/m^2##.
  • A further inquiry is made about the mathematical demonstration of how the second derivatives obtain their units of ##1/m^2##.
  • A participant explains the reasoning behind the units of derivatives, relating them to basic calculus concepts involving distance and time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the units of the second derivatives, but there is no consensus on the overall balance of the equation as initially presented by the first participant.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of the variables and the context of their application, which may affect the interpretation of the units. There is also an unresolved aspect regarding the initial claim of unit imbalance.

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Folks,

I am trying to understand the balance of units for this eqn

## \displaystyle \frac{d^2}{dx^2}(E(x)I(x) \frac{d^2 w(x)}{dx^2})+c_f(x)w(x)=q(x)##

where ##E## is the modulus of Elasticity, ##I## is the second moment of area, ##c_f## is the elastic foundation modulus, ##w## is deflection and ##q## is the distributed transverse load.

Based on the above I calculate the units to be

## \displaystyle \frac{d^2}{dx^2}[\frac{N}{m^2} m^4 \frac{d^2 m}{dx^2}]+\frac{N}{m^2} m=\frac{N}{m}##

gives

##\displaystyle {Nm^3} +\frac{N}{m}=\frac{N}{m}##

##LHS \ne RHS##...?
 
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The derivatives ##\frac{d^2}{dx^2}## have units of ##1/m^2##.
 
Mute said:
The derivatives ##\frac{d^2}{dx^2}## have units of ##1/m^2##.

Ok, I see how they balance now. The question I have is how is this shown mathematically that the 2nd derivatives have ##1/m^2## units?

##f(x)= f(units in meters)##
##f'(x)= f(units in meters)##
##f''(x)= f(units in meters)##...?
 
df/dx is defined as \lim_{h\to 0} (f(x+h)- f(x))/h. The numerator is in what ever units h has. The denominator is in whatever unis x has- "meters" in your case- so the derivative has the units of f divided by the units of x and the second derivative has units of units of f divided by the units of x, squared.

Surely you learned this in basic Calculus? if f(t) is a distance function, with units "meters" and t is time, in "seconds", then df/dt is a speed with units "meters per second" and d2f/dt2 is an acceleration with units of "meters per second squared".
 

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