Every sequence has a convergent subsequence?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether every sequence has a convergent subsequence, particularly focusing on the conditions under which this might be true or false. Participants explore the implications of boundedness and the definitions of convergence in various contexts, including finite and infinite sequences.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a divergent sequence, such as the natural numbers, can have a convergent subsequence by suggesting that breaking it into single elements might yield convergence.
  • Others clarify that the question pertains to whether any sequence, regardless of divergence, can contain at least one convergent subsequence.
  • A participant provides the formal definition of convergence, emphasizing the conditions under which a sequence converges to a real number.
  • There is a discussion about the sequence {1, -1, 1, -1, ...} and whether it converges, with a note that the definition of convergence applies to sequences running from 0 to infinity, which may not apply to finite sequences.
  • One participant asserts that only bounded sequences can have convergent subsequences, suggesting that unbounded sequences like {1, 2, 3, 4, ...} may not possess such subsequences.
  • A later reply raises the question of whether the sequence {1, 2, 3, ..., n} has a convergent subsequence, noting that this depends on the topology and referencing the characterization of compact metric spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for a sequence to have a convergent subsequence, particularly regarding boundedness and the implications of topology. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of convergence and the implications of boundedness versus unboundedness in sequences. The discussion also touches on the relevance of topology in determining the existence of convergent subsequences.

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I'm not sure if this is true or not. but from what I can gather, If the set of Natural numbers (divergent sequence) {1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...} is broken up to say {1}, is this a subsequence that converges and therefore this statement is true?
 
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You are wondering if it is always possible to find at least one convergent subsequence in any sequence however divergent?
Your specific question amounts to whether a sequence with a finite number of elements is convergent.
To answer that, check the definition of "converge".

Where does the question come up?
 
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if it's possible to find at least one convergent subsequence in ANY sequence.

Definition of converge: "A sequence {a(n)} converges to a real number A iff for each epsilon>0 there is a positive integer N such that for all n >= N we have |a(n) - A| < epsilon."
 
Hey, thanks a lot. Now i understand it.
 
Only a bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence. An unbounded one, like 1,2, 3, 4...may not.
 
Does {1,2,3,..,n,.. } , i.e., a_n:=n have a convergent subsequence? Of course, this depends on your topology, but, as
a subspace of the Reals, does this have a convergent subsequence? This is one of the characterization of compact metric spaces, as every sequence having a convergent subsequence. And, in the subspace topology of the Reals,
{1,2,3,...} is/not compact (find a cover by open sets so that each contains a single number).
 

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