Expected concentration of fluoride released from PFAA

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem concerning the expected concentration of fluoride released from perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (PFOS) when it is completely mineralized in solution. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining the fluoride concentration based on given data and chemical principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The initial calculation of fluoride concentration involves determining the mass of PFOS in solution and the number of fluoride atoms based on the molecular structure of PFOS.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their chemistry calculations and seeks guidance on where they might have erred.
  • Another participant questions the division of 0.002 by 500, implying a potential error in the calculation process.
  • A later reply confirms a recalculated fluoride concentration of approximately 6.5 mg/L, suggesting it aligns with the expected value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial calculations, but there is agreement on the corrected concentration value being reasonable.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions in the calculations, particularly regarding the molecular weight of PFOS and the stoichiometry of fluoride release. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying chemistry, particularly those interested in environmental chemistry and the behavior of perfluorinated compounds.

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Homework Statement


You have 200 mL of perfluorooctanesulfonic acid with a concentration of 10 mg/L. If the PFOS is completely mineralised in solution what is the expected concentration of fluoride in solution?

The experimentally determined fluoride concentration is 5.6 mg/L

Homework Equations


n=m/M
C=n/v
No. of molecules = nNA

The Attempt at a Solution


I seem to have forgotten my basic chemistry, kind of worrying but would appreciate if someone could quickly advise.##m = CV = (200 mL)* 10 \frac{mg}{L} = 0.002g##

##n = \frac{m}{M} = \frac{0.002}{500\frac{g}{mol}} = 4 * 10^{6} mol##

##no. \enspace of \enspace molecules = N_{A}*n = (4*10^{6}mol)(6.022*10^{23})=2.4*10^{30}\enspace PFOS\enspace molecules##

PFOS has 17 fluoride atoms per molecule therefore:

##No.\enspace of\enspace fluoride\enspace atoms\enspace in\enspace solution = 17 * 2.4*10^{30} = 4*10^{31} fluoride\enspace atoms##

Now if I work backwards to find the fluoride concentration in solution...

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n = \frac{no.\enspace of \enspace molecules}{N_{A}} = \frac{4 * 10^{31}}{6*10^{23}}= 6.67*10^{7} mols####m= nM = (6.67*10^{7} mols)(19\frac{g}{mol})= 1.27*10^{9}g##

Oh dear, that's a lot of fluoride, any pointers where I went wrong appreciated.
 
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What is 0.002 divided by 500? Is it more or less than 1?
 
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TeethWhitener said:
What is 0.002 divided by 500? Is it more or less than 1?
Ooops good point! Late Friday!
 
Yep, get around 6.5 mg/L so within the answer value. Thanks for the spotted mistake!
 

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