Experimental searches for tachyons

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The discussion centers around experimental searches for tachyons, exploring historical and contemporary research efforts, theoretical implications, and connections to related concepts such as magnetic monopoles. Participants share insights on the challenges of detecting tachyons and the evolving understanding of their physical significance within various theoretical frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the most obvious experimental signature of tachyons would be their propagation at speeds greater than c, referencing negative results from past experiments, including studies of cosmic ray air showers and beta decay.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the existence of tachyons in string theory, stating that they appear only in bosonic string theory, which is considered unphysical, while they do not exist in superstring theory.
  • A participant mentions that modern interpretations suggest tachyons may arise from misdirected questions in theoretical physics, particularly relating to phase transitions and imaginary mass terms in quantum field theory.
  • Several participants inquire about the connection between tachyons and magnetic monopoles, with one sharing a personal anecdote about a professor's early research on monopoles.
  • Another participant lists recent articles related to tachyon monopoles and expresses curiosity about the lack of recent experimental literature on tachyons, considering the simplicity of past experiments.
  • One participant provides links to multiple articles on tachyons and quantum entanglement, suggesting a broader context for understanding tachyons in contemporary physics discussions.
  • A participant shares a list of articles from Arxiv that propose or reference experiments related to tachyons, indicating ongoing interest in the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence and implications of tachyons, with no consensus reached. Some argue for their relevance in modern physics, while others remain skeptical, particularly in the context of string theory. The discussion reflects both historical perspectives and contemporary theoretical debates.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the existing experimental literature and the challenges posed by conflicting theoretical claims regarding tachyons. There is an acknowledgment of the dependence on definitions and the unresolved nature of certain theoretical aspects.

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I'm working on an open-source textbook on special relativity. The text below is what I currently have on experimental searches for tachyons. There seems to have been quite a bit of work on this kind of thing in the 60's, but very little in more recent times. Does anyone know of any better empirical evidence than what I refer to below?

The most obvious experimental signature of tachyons would be propagation at speeds greater than c. Negative results were reported by Murthy and later by Clay,[9] who studied air showers generated by cosmic rays to look for precursor particles that arrived before the first photons. One could also look for particles with |p| > E. Alvager and Erman, in a 1965 experiment, studied the beta decay of 170Tm, using a spectrometer to measure momentum and a solid state detector to determine energy. An upper limit of one tachyon per 10^4 beta particles was inferred. Experimental searches are made more difficult by conflicting theoretical claims as to whether tachyons should be charged or neutral, whether they should have integral or half- integral spin, and whether the normal spin-statistics relation even applies to them.[10] Current thinking in quantum field theory is that tachyonic fields actually would not have a superluminal signal velocity, and that tachyonic fields are to be interpreted not as real physical phenomena but as unphysical features of certain field theories.[11] A brief flurry of reawakened theoretical interest in tachyons was occasioned by a 2011 debacle in which the particle-physics experiment OPERA mistakenly reported faster-than-light propagation of neutrinos; the anomaly was later found to be the result of a loose connection on a fiber-optic cable plus a miscalibrated oscillator.

[9] “A search for tachyons in cosmic ray showers,” Austr. J. Phys 41 (1988) 93, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1988AuJPh..41...93C

[10] Feinberg, Feinberg, ``Possibility of Faster-Than-light Particles,'' Phys Rev 159 (1967) 1089, http://www.scribd.com/doc/144943457...r-Than-light-Particles-Phys-Rev-159-1967-1089

[11] Baez gives a good explanation at http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/tachyons.html
 
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I don't really like the idea of tachyons in the general String Theory... I am sorry, but I am still a newbie in this field. But studying Strings I derived that tachyons appear only in the bosonic string theory, which of course is an unphysical theory. In the Superstrings though (where you also have fermionic degrees of freedom-thus they could be physical), the tachyon modes disappear and so they don't exist...

Also in the field point of view, the tachyons are practically unstable fields?
 
bcrowell said:
Thanks for pointing me to that reference. I hadn't been aware of that idea.

It was funny, I read your post and it just came to me to ask about magnetic monopoles. My old undergrad prof had in fact done research into detecting them early in his career in the 1930's.

Anyway, I don't recall any discussion on the connection with tachyons and so I did a search and discovered the article I posted. Serendipity I guess...

I was curious about your motivation for doing open source books. I've read some of them and they are quite good. You might be able to get Dover publications interested into mass marketing them while still keeping them as open source. I know Prof Nearing and his MathematicalTOols for Physicists book apparently has some agreement like that:

http://www.physics.miami.edu/~nearing/mathmethods/
 
jedishrfu said:
I was curious about your motivation for doing open source books. I've read some of them and they are quite good.
Thanks! I originally wrote books for use in my community college classes. This one is just for fun, since I don't get to teach upper-division physics.
 
The modern understanding of Tachyons is that they are NOT unphysical creatures, but rather the consequence of physicists asking the wrong questions, say asking what the positive energy excitations of a system with initial conditions right on the cusp of undergoing a phase transition are.

Whenever you see a mass term in quantum field theory that has an imaginary mass, it is always the case that it has arisen b/c the theorist in question has applied perturbation theory around an unstable point in the potential. This can be seen as a physical process in certain cases, and creates what is known as tachyon condensation where the theory quickly falls to a new ground state (with new non tachyonic stable states).

Famous examples include the Higgs field, whatever scalar field is responsible for inflation, as well as examples in condensed matter in superconductivity.
 
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Thanks, Haelfix -- that's very helpful.

I'm still curious as to whether I'm missing any good experimental literature. The experiments done in the 1960's don't seem all that hard, and it's surprising that so little has been done to improve on them.
 

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