Explinations needed, second degree linear equations with a constant

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The discussion centers around resolving a second degree linear differential equation with a constant, specifically the equation y'' + 3y' + 2 = cos(t). Participants explore methods for finding both the homogeneous and particular solutions, as well as addressing common pitfalls in the problem-solving process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Callum expresses confusion about resolving the equation and mentions a potential mistake in interpreting the equation's terms.
  • Some participants inquire about the solution to the homogeneous equation, with one suggesting the form of the solution as y0(t) = C1.e^(-3t) + C2.
  • Another participant corrects an earlier claim about the roots of the characteristic equation, stating that the roots are -1 and -2, and emphasizes the need to find the particular solution.
  • There is a suggestion that the particular solution can be derived from the forcing function, which includes a polynomial and a cosine term.
  • Kurt provides a detailed breakdown of the solution process, including the use of the method of undetermined coefficients, and presents the final general solution of the differential equation.
  • Callum reflects on the difficulty of the test question and the challenge of completing it within the given time frame.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the equation, but there are varying interpretations of the steps involved, particularly regarding the correct form of the homogeneous solution and the method for finding particular solutions. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants clarify and refine their understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about specific mathematical steps and the implications of the terms in the equation. There is a reliance on the method of undetermined coefficients, but not all participants agree on the details of its application.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students preparing for exams in differential equations, particularly those encountering second degree linear equations with constant terms and seeking clarification on solution methods.

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Hello,

I am in need of explinations on how to resolve second degree linear equations with a constant.
I had a maths test last saturday and this was the last question :
Resolve y"+3y'+2=cos(t)
Having almost fallen into the trap of resolving y"+3y'+2y=cos(t), I passed the 2 over by cos(t) and tried to resolve y"+3y'=cos(t)-2, however I doubt that that's possible (maybe I'm wrong).
Anyhow I am looking for some help in resolving this equation because I have the same equation given as a test tomorrow morning.

Many thanks,

Callum
 
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Do you know how to solve the homogeneous equation?
 
Yes I do, y0(t)=C1.e-3t+C2 with (C1,C2) →ℝ
I believe that's correct.
 
Not quite. If y = ert, then working out y' and y'' gives you ert(r2+3r+2) = 0, so the roots -1 amd -2 give you two solutions. Remember, there are n solutions to an nth order ODE.

Now you just need to find the particular solution. Have you learned that yet?
 
I thought ay"+by'+cy=0 gave us ar^2+br+c=0, in my case c=0.
I do know how to find particular solutions.
I'm going back into class, I will check back later. Thank you for your help.
 
Oops! You're right. I read it wrong as y'' + 3y' +2y. My bad.
 
Most people in my class did the same, any ideas though?
 
You have the right idea - just find the particular solution for the -2 (should be easy to see it's a polynomial in t) and the cosine term.
 
y"+3y'=-2+cos(t)
clearly
(-2+cos(t))'''+(-2+cos(t))'=0
so
y(5)+y(3)+3y=0
or in operator form
(D^2+3)y=-2+cos(t)
(D^5+4D^3+3D)y=D(D^2+3)(D^2+1)y=0
so the inhomogeneous problem reduces to a homogeneous problem.
A solution to the new problem will be a solution to the old one.
 
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Hi,

So you want to solve the second-order differential equation [itex]y''+3y'=\cos(t)-2[/itex]. The corresponding homogeneous equation is [itex]y''+3y'=0[/itex], the solution of which is [itex]C_1+C_2\exp(-3t)[/itex], where [itex]C_1[/itex] and [itex]C_2[/itex] are undetermined coefficients. The forcing function [itex]\cos(t)-2[/itex] can be expressed as the sum of two terms, [itex]f_1(t)=\cos(t)[/itex] and [itex]f_2(t)=2[/itex]. By the superposition principle, the particular solution [itex]y_p(t)[/itex] can be expressed as the sum of the particular solutions [itex]y_{p1}(t)[/itex] and [itex]y_{p2}(t)[/itex] corresponding to [itex]f_1(t)[/itex] and [itex]f_2(t)[/itex], respectively. The individual particular solutions can be found using the method of undetermined coefficients.

Consider first [itex]y_{p1}(t)[/itex]. We choose a trial solution [itex]y_{t1}(t)=A_0\cos(t)+A_1\sin(t)[/itex], where [itex]A_0[/itex] and [itex]A_1[/itex] are undetermined coefficients. Filling in [itex]y_{t1}''+3y_{t1}'=\cos(t)[/itex] and comparing terms leads to the pair of simultaneous equations [itex]-A_0+3A_1=1[/itex] and [itex]-3A_0-A_1=0[/itex], the solution of which is [itex]A_0=-\frac{1}{10}[/itex] and [itex]A_1=\frac{3}{10}[/itex]. So [itex]y_{p1}(t)=-\frac{1}{10}\cos(t)+\frac{3}{10}\sin(t)[/itex].

Next, consdier [itex]y_{p2}(t)[/itex]. The forcing function is a zeroth order polynomial. As explained by http://books.google.com/books?id=Pj...method of undetermined coefficients:&f=false", since the homogeneous equation lacks a damping term (i.e., one proportional to [itex]y[/itex]), we should choose as our trial solution a polynomial with degree one order higher than the forcing function, so we choose [itex]y_{t2}(t)=B_0+B_1t[/itex], with [itex]B_0[/itex] and [itex]B_1[/itex] undetermined coefficients. Filling in [itex]y_{t2}''+3y_{t2}'=-2[/itex] then leads to [itex]B_0=0[/itex] and [itex]B_1=-\frac{2}{3}[/itex]. So [itex]y_{p2}(t)=-\frac{2}{3}t[/itex].

Combining the above results, I obtain [tex]y(t)=y_h(t)+y_{p1}(t)+y_{p2}(t)= C_1+C_2\exp(-3t)-\frac{1}{10}\cos(t)+\frac{3}{10}\sin(t)-\frac{2}{3}t[/tex] as the final general solution of the differential equation. I verified this solution with Maple.

Hope this helps!

Cheers, Kurt
 
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  • #11
Thanks for all your help, the maths teacher said it was a last add in the test so that no one could get it all right, no wonder especially in the time given.
I will try to meditate all of that and see if I can do it again.
 

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