How does the Bessel Function Expansion relate to J_{0}(u+v)?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Bessel function expansion and the expression for \( J_{0}(u+v) \). Participants explore mathematical derivations and seek to clarify the connections between different forms of the Bessel functions, particularly in the context of their product and sum properties.

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  • One participant attempts to show that \( J_{0}(u+v) = J_{0}(u)J_{0}(v) + 2\sum_{s=1}^{\infty}J_{s}(u)J_{-s}(v) \) using the function \( g(x,t) \).
  • Another participant presents a similar approach but expresses uncertainty about their derivation, indicating that their solution is incorrect.
  • A later reply confirms the initial expression for \( J_{0}(u+v) \) and provides a step-by-step breakdown of the derivation, ultimately arriving at the same conclusion as the first post.
  • Some participants express confusion or make typographical errors in their posts, indicating a need for clarification on terminology.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial derivations, as participants express uncertainty and acknowledge errors in their calculations. Multiple competing views and approaches remain present in the discussion.

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Participants do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in their derivations, and there are indications of missing assumptions or definitions that could affect the conclusions drawn.

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Bessel function

using $$g(x,t)=g(u+v,t)=g(u,t)g(v,t)$$

to show that $$J_{0}(u+v)=J_{0}(u)J_{0}(v)+2\sum_{s=1}^{\infty}J_{s}(u)J_{-s}(v)$$

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my solution

$$g(u+v,t)=e^{\frac{u+v}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}$$
$$g(u+v,t)=e^{\frac{u}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}\cdot e^{\frac{v}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}$$
$$g(u+v,t)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{n}(u)t^{n}\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{n}(v)t^{n}$$

$$J_{n}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!(n+s)!}(\frac{u+v}{2})^{n+2s}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}(\frac{u}{2}+\frac{v}{2})^{2s}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{(\frac{u}{2}+\frac{v}{2})^{2s} \right\}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{ \sum_{k=0}^{2s}{2s\choose k}\left(\frac{u}{2} \right)^{2s -k}\left(\frac{v}{2} \right)^{k} \right\}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{ \left(\frac{u}{2}\right)^{2s}+\left(\frac{v}{2}\right)^{2s}+ \sum_{k=1}^{2s-1}{2s\choose k}\left(\frac{u}{2} \right)^{2s -k}\left(\frac{v}{2} \right)^{k} \right\}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=J_{0}(u)+J_{0}(v)+\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{\sum_{k=1}^{2s-1}{2s\choose k}\left(\frac{u}{2} \right)^{2s -k}\left(\frac{v}{2} \right)^{k} \right\}$$

this is wrong
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please help me to solve this soluion
 
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Another said:
using $$g(x,t)=g(u+v,t)=g(u,t)g(v,t)$$

to show that $$J_{0}(u+v)=J_{0}(u)J_{0}(v)+2\sum_{s=1}^{\infty}J_{s}(u)J_{-s}(v)$$

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my solution

$$g(u+v,t)=e^{\frac{u+v}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}$$
$$g(u+v,t)=e^{\frac{u}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}\cdot e^{\frac{v}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}$$
$$g(u+v,t)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{n}(u)t^{n}\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{n}(v)t^{n}$$

$$J_{n}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!(n+s)!}(\frac{u+v}{2})^{n+2s}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}(\frac{u}{2}+\frac{v}{2})^{2s}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{(\frac{u}{2}+\frac{v}{2})^{2s} \right\}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{ \sum_{k=0}^{2s}{2s\choose k}\left(\frac{u}{2} \right)^{2s -k}\left(\frac{v}{2} \right)^{k} \right\}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{ \left(\frac{u}{2}\right)^{2s}+\left(\frac{v}{2}\right)^{2s}+ \sum_{k=1}^{2s-1}{2s\choose k}\left(\frac{u}{2} \right)^{2s -k}\left(\frac{v}{2} \right)^{k} \right\}$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)=J_{0}(u)+J_{0}(v)+\sum_{s=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{s}}{s!s!}\left\{\sum_{k=1}^{2s-1}{2s\choose k}\left(\frac{u}{2} \right)^{2s -k}\left(\frac{v}{2} \right)^{k} \right\}$$

this is wrong
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please help me to solve this soluion

now i can solve it thankkkk !

$$g(u+v,t)=g(u,t)g(v,t)$$

$$e^{\frac{u+v}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}=e^{\frac{u}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}e^{\frac{v}{2}(t-\frac{1}{t})}$$

$$\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{n}(u+v)t^n=\sum_{l=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{l}(u)t^l\sum_{m=-\infty}^{\infty}J_{m}(v)t^m$$

let n = 0
$$J_{0}(u+v)= \left(...+J_{-1}(u)t^{-1}+J_{0}(u)+J_{1}(u)t^1+...\right)\left(...+J_{-1}(v)t^{-1}+J_{0}(v)+J_{1}(v)t^1+...\right)$$

but $$J_{-n}(u)=(-1)^{n}J_{n}(u)$$
so...
$$J_{0}(u+v)= J_{0}(u)J_{0}(v)+2J_{1}(u)J_{-1}(v)+2J_{2}(u)J_{2}(v)+...$$
$$J_{0}(u+v)= J_{0}(u)J_{0}(v)+2\sum_{s=1}^{\infty}J_{s}(u)J_{-s}(v)$$
 
Funions!
 
Joppy said:
Funions!

oh sorry I mean function n and c missing from word
 

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