Does the Charge of Photons Change Our Understanding of Light?

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The discussion revolves around the claim that photons may possess a small amount of charge, exploring the implications of this idea on our understanding of light. Participants examine the experimental evidence regarding the charge of photons and the theoretical implications of such a charge, with a focus on the accuracy of measurements and the nature of charge in fundamental particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about a claim that photons have a small amount of charge and seeks clarification on its meaning and implications.
  • Another participant asserts that the charge of the photon is still considered to be 0, but acknowledges that it cannot be determined to 0 with absolute certainty due to experimental limitations.
  • A recent experiment is cited, which suggests that the upper bound for the photon charge is approximately 10^{-46} times that of an electron, indicating progress in measurement accuracy rather than evidence of charge.
  • One participant argues that if photons had charge, it would be possible to bend light with an electric field, which is not observed, reinforcing the notion that photons are uncharged.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for proper references when discussing scientific claims, criticizing the lack of citation in the initial assertion about photon charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the claim of photon charge, with some firmly stating that photons are uncharged while others discuss the experimental upper bounds without reaching a consensus on the implications of these findings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the experimental determination of photon charge and the challenges in interpreting the significance of upper bounds in measurements. There is also a noted dependence on the clarity and credibility of sources cited in discussions.

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recently, I read a news that stated that photons, or light particle, has a small amount of charge. what does this suppose to means, and how we know, and how come?
 
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This is a serious misunderstanding. The charge of the photon is still supposed to be 0, but it is not possible to determine it to 0 with 100% accuracy experimentally.

So a recent experiment has shown, that the upper bound for the photon charge is somewhere around 10^{-46} times the charge of an electron. Before the experimental upper bound was somewhere around 10^{-33} times the charge of an electron.
This does not mean, that a photon is charged. We just got closer to 0.

You certainly mean this article:
Bound on the Photon Charge from the Phase Coherence of Extragalactic Radiation by Brett Altschul
Phys. Rev. Lett. 98, 261801 (2007)
 
ArielGenesis said:
recently, I read a news that stated that photons, or light particle, has a small amount of charge. what does this suppose to means, and how we know, and how come?

Where did you read that?

Photons do not have charge, otherwise we would be able bend light with an
electric field. Also, charge is quantized. It does not come in arbitrary small
amounts.

The photon has two big brothers which do have a positive and negative
charge equal to that of the electron. These are the intermediate vector
bosons W+ and W- which propagate only over extremely small ranges,
smaller as the radius of an atom's nucleus.

Regards, Hans
 
ArielGenesis said:
recently, I read a news that stated that photons, or light particle, has a small amount of charge. what does this suppose to means, and how we know, and how come?

Again, as has been repeated many times, such a "reference" is not sufficient to conduct any sense of a rational discussion. You must cite a proper reference. It is no longer sufficient here on PF to simply use "I heard" or "I read" when trying to discuss something in this context.

So this is a reminder to everyone else, especially new members on here. If you cannot provide a sufficiently clear source that you can cite, then it can't be that important to you for you not to jot it down, and it can't be discuss with any sense of clarity on here.

Zz.
 

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