What Are the Key String Theories and Their Interconnections?

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The discussion centers around the various string theories, specifically their key characteristics and interconnections. Participants explore the relationships between different theories, including M-theory, F-theory, and the 26-dimensional string theory, as well as their implications and historical development.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that M-theory is an 11-dimensional framework that unifies five different 10-dimensional string theories, depending on how the 11th dimension is compactified.
  • F-theory is discussed as a theory that relates to M-theory and involves additional dimensions, with some participants noting it was developed by Cumrun Vafa.
  • There is curiosity about the 26-dimensional version of string theory, which some participants state was the original string theory and predicted only bosonic matter, along with tachyons, indicating instability.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how the 26-dimensional theory relates to the 10-dimensional theories and whether it is considered one of the original five string theories.
  • Type IIB theory is identified as one of the five superstring theories, with participants seeking clarification on its specifics.
  • Some participants discuss the evolution from 26 dimensions to 10 dimensions, suggesting that the introduction of fermions through supersymmetry necessitates a 10-dimensional framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views and uncertainties regarding the relationships between the different string theories, particularly concerning F-theory and the 26-dimensional theory. There is no consensus on how these theories interconnect or their implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their understanding of the theories, particularly regarding the specifics of F-theory and the transition from 26 to 10 dimensions, indicating a need for further clarification and exploration.

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Hi.

Could someone please post a quick summary of which string theories are out there and how they relate to each other? I could only find partial information on this...

Thank you.
 
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What I have found are the relationships shown http://physics.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukidog.com%2Fjpierre%2Fstrings%2F . M-Theory is 11 dimensions and converges to different 10-dimensional theories depending on how the 11th dimension is compactified. I've also found info about the 12th dimensional F-theory which converges to M-theory or one of the 10-dimensional theories, depending on how its extra dimensions are compactified. What other theories are there, and how are they related? What about that theroy with 26 dimensions - how does it fit in?
 
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F-theory?? Where did you find this information? I've been looking and looking everywhere (apparently not everywhere, but a lot of places) for information about F-theory.

26 DEMENTIONS?? Please, tell me [or us] more about this. Please provide a link as well.


Anyway, M-theory was originally a set of 5 string theories which seemed different. Edward Witten united them all to form M-theory. quick summary there.
 
Imparcticle said:
F-theory?? Where did you find this information? I've been looking and looking everywhere (apparently not everywhere, but a lot of places) for information about F-theory.

26 DEMENTIONS?? Please, tell me [or us] more about this. Please provide a link as well.


Anyway, M-theory was originally a set of 5 string theories which seemed different. Edward Witten united them all to form M-theory. quick summary there.

Try search for D Marolf ?

Edit:removed one F.
 
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Imparcticle said:
F-theory?? Where did you find this information? I've been looking and looking everywhere (apparently not everywhere, but a lot of places) for information about F-theory.

26 DEMENTIONS?? Please, tell me [or us] more about this. Please provide a link as well.
Google search for "F-Theory" (with the quotes) - the 2nd result is what I was taking my info from. As for the 26 dimensions version, I've heard about it a very long time ago (about the same time I first heard of string theory, iirc). I have no idea how it relates to the others. I've heard recently that it's actually one of those five original theories, but I cannot confirm this, especially given that they are all 10 dimensional as far as I know.
 
Imparcticle said:
F-theory?? Where did you find this information? I've been looking and looking everywhere (apparently not everywhere, but a lot of places) for information about F-theory.

26 DEMENTIONS?? Please, tell me [or us] more about this. Please provide a link as well.


Anyway, M-theory was originally a set of 5 string theories which seemed different. Edward Witten united them all to form M-theory. quick summary there.
last time i read they don't even know what is this M theory they only think that all the 5 string theories should be united to one theory, M theory.

and about F theory it's been developed by camerun vafa (im not sure about his first name) and it adds another time dimension.
 
Thank you

Thank you alpha_wolf, and everyone else. :smile:

Loop Quantum Gravity:
The 5 original superstring theories where unified by Edward Witten in the 90's. M-theory is the product of the unified theories. What M-theory is, is known but it is not fully understood.

Two time demensions? So, IOW, two directions in which entropy can expand? Two directions of disorder expanding...that is an interesting idea.
Say direction A= "future" and direction B= "past".
the past exists and decreases in disorder. At the same time, "A" will continue to increase "forward" (that is opposite to the direction of "B"). Do I understand this correctly?
Does this theory allow for time travel to the past? (maybe not ; time travel to the past defies thermodynamics)
 
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loop quantum gravity said:
F theory it's been developed by camerun vafa (im not sure about his first name)

F-Theory was formulated by Cumrun Vafa (from Harvard),
looking for an analog theory to M-Theory for describing non-perturbative compactifications of Type IIB theory.

See for example this

Or

C. Vafa, "Evidence for F-theory." Nucl. Phys. B 469: 403 (1996).
 
Can anyone comment on the 26-dimensional version(s) of string theory? Thanks.
 
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The 26 dimensional version of string theory was the original string theory. It predicted only bosonic matter, and also predicted tachyons which was generally took to be a sign that the theory was unstable. It's still used today as a model for playing around with, and serves as an introduction to string theory in quite a few textbooks.
 
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Lonewolf said:
The 26 dimensional version of string theory was the original string theory. It predicted only bosonic matter, and also predicted tachyons which was generally took to be a sign that the theory was unstable. It's still used today as a model for playing around with, and serves as an introduction to string theory in quite a few textbooks.
Thanks for your reply. How did it evolve to the 10 dimensional versions?
 
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Type IIB theory.

What is that?
 
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Imparcticle said:
Type IIB, what is that?

There are five superstring theories. Type IIB is just one of them.

[type I, type IIA, type IIB, Heterotic E8 X E8, and Heterotic SO(32)]
 
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alpha_wolf said:
Thanks for your reply. How did it evolve to the 10 dimensional versions?

When you add the fermions to string theory by means of supersymmetry, the quantized theory requires 10 dimensions. It is the same origin of the 26 dimensions in bosonic string theory: you quantize and then you end up with a requirement that is related to the symmetry of the massless states (Í don´t know it very well, so I hope someone can explain better this point.)
 

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