Exploring the Impact of Experiences on Thinking

In summary, people seem to have different experiences when it comes to whether or not they believe their thoughts are completely under their own control or if they are influenced by their experiences.
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HAYAO said:
On a side note, philosophically speaking, free-will goes in loop and fails itself logically.
All assumptions one makes about human beings concern the issuer him-/herself. Thus, to deny the freedom of choice of human beings undermines the scientific approach. Harald Atmanspacher and Hans Primas in “Pauli’s ideas on mind and matter in the context of contemporary science” (Journal of Consciousness Studies, 13, 3, 5–50, 2006):

A most consequential accomplishment of Newton was his insight that the laws of nature have to be separated from initial conditions for these laws.59 In experimental physics it is always taken for granted that the future differs from past and present and that experimenters have the freedom to choose or to manipulate (within appropriate limits) the initial conditions and to repeat their experiments at any particular instant.”
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
All assumptions one makes about human beings concern the issuer him-/herself. Thus, to deny the freedom of choice of human beings undermines the scientific approach. Harald Atmanspacher and Hans Primas in “Pauli’s ideas on mind and matter in the context of contemporary science” (Journal of Consciousness Studies, 13, 3, 5–50, 2006):

A most consequential accomplishment of Newton was his insight that the laws of nature have to be separated from initial conditions for these laws.59 In experimental physics it is always taken for granted that the future differs from past and present and that experimenters have the freedom to choose or to manipulate (within appropriate limits) the initial conditions and to repeat their experiments at any particular instant.”

So you think that for 13,800 million years, the Universe evolved in a way described with great precision by our current mathematical-physical theories ( based on deterministic and/or deterministic + stochastic dynamical descriptions, that don't allow anything similar to what normal people conceive as "free will"), and then, suddenly, in the last 50,000 - 100,000 years ago, (just here and just us), something completely different arose (non-describable by means of neither deterministic nor stochastic methods) and you call it "free will".

Is this your (or anyone else's) take on this?
 
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Unless @Evo sees a reason to re-open this thread, it will stay closed.

After a Moderator discussion, this thread is too philosophical for PF and will stay closed.
 
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