What Are the Key Questions About Thermite Reactions?

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The discussion focuses on key questions regarding thermite reactions, specifically the release of hydrogen when thermite interacts with water, the separation of aluminum oxide from molten iron, and the electrolysis of aluminum oxide to obtain aluminum. It is established that no hydrogen is released during the reaction with water, only steam. Aluminum oxide can be separated as it floats on molten iron, and to extract aluminum from aluminum oxide, one must heat it to high temperatures and apply electrolysis, referencing Faraday's law. The discussion emphasizes the extreme conditions required for these processes, including temperatures around 2500 °C.

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I have three questions about thermite.

1. Is hydrogen released when thermite is placed in water or is it just steam?

2. How can I separate the aluminum oxide from the iron after the reaction?

3. Can the aluminum oxide be split apart into oxygen and aluminum?Any knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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First of all, thermite reaction.Fe_2O_3+Al \rightarrow Fe(molten)+Al_2O_3

1.) I can't see any hydrogen here. If you are placing it in water, its just steam. Thermite, as its name may suggest, is very exothermic, so much that the iron produced is actually produced in molten form.

2.) Iron is formed in molten form and Aluminium oxide floats on it as slag.

3.) You can collect all that oxide, heat them until they fuse (Alumina) they electrolyze it to obtain aluminium.
 
AGNuke said:
You can collect all that oxide, heat them until they fuse (Alumina) they electrolyze it to obtain aluminium.

Good luck heating it up to 2000 °C. We don't use cryolite (or its equivalents) as a flux without a reason.
 
How much electricity would I need to separate the two?

The aluminum would already be at 2500 degrees from the actual thermite reaction.
 
goleynik said:
How much electricity would I need to separate the two?

This one is simple - check Faraday's law of electrolysis.

The aluminum would already be at 2500 degrees from the actual thermite reaction.

It will be at 2500, but do you have something to contain it in? Do you have an electrode material capable of surviving so high temp?

Sorry, it doesn't sound like something we want to discuss here. Too risky for my liking.
 

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