Exploring the SU(2)_L x U(1)_Y Gauge Field Theory of Electroweak Interaction

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The discussion revolves around the meaning of the electroweak interaction being described by a gauge field theory based on the SU(2)_{L}×U(1)_Y symmetry group. Participants explore the theoretical foundations and implications of this framework, particularly in relation to quantum mechanics and the Higgs phenomenon.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of the electroweak interaction being described by a gauge field theory based on the SU(2)_{L}×U(1)_Y symmetry group, noting their lack of background in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the Weinberg-Salam theory requires knowledge of quantum mechanics, quantum field theory, the gauge principle, group theory, and the Higgs phenomenon.
  • A different participant attempts to clarify the concept of gauge field theory, explaining that gauge invariance is crucial and that the group can be any Lie group. They describe how transformations and invariance relate to the Lagrangian in the context of gauge fields.
  • This participant also mentions that the introduction of gauge fields is essential for maintaining invariance under local transformations, specifically in the context of the electroweak force associated with the SU(2)×U(1) group.
  • They draw a parallel to quantum electrodynamics (QED), noting that local gauge invariance explains electromagnetic interactions, and highlight the significance of the electroweak theory as a triumph for physics and symmetry.
  • Additionally, they mention the generators for SU(2)_{L}×U(1)_{Y} being the Pauli spin matrices and hypercharge, indicating a distinction from charge in QED.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and background knowledge, leading to some disagreement on the prerequisites for grasping the electroweak theory. There is no consensus on a simplified explanation that accommodates all participants' knowledge levels.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the necessity of understanding quantum mechanics and related fields to fully grasp the electroweak interaction and gauge field theory, indicating limitations in the discussion for those without this background.

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What does it mean to say to say that the electroweak interaction is described by a gauge field theory based on the SU(2)_{L}\timesU(1)_Y symmetry group?

I know that SU(2) is a group of unitary matrices and U(1) is the circle group but I don't really see what the sentence means. I haven't taken any quantum mechanics but an doing research on Higgs decays and would like to gain a bit more understanding.
 
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americanforest said:
What does it mean to say to say that the electroweak interaction is described by a gauge field theory based on the SU(2)_{L}\timesU(1)_Y symmetry group?

You are asking people to explain Wienberg-Salam theory to you! Given the fact that you "haven't taken any QM", this would be an impossible task to achieve.
To understand "why" Wienberg & Salam chose the gauge group SU(2) X U(1) for their model, the following is required;

1) QM
2) QFT
3) The gauge principle ( abelian & non-abelian)
4) Group theory

and, if you to understand the whole W-S model, you also need

5) The Higgs phenomenon.

I haven't taken any quantum mechanics but an doing research on Higgs decays and would like to gain a bit more understanding

How do you do that without understanding QM?


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sam
 
americanforest said:
What does it mean to say to say that the electroweak interaction is described by a gauge field theory based on the SU(2)_{L}\timesU(1)_Y symmetry group?

I know that SU(2) is a group of unitary matrices and U(1) is the circle group but I don't really see what the sentence means. I haven't taken any quantum mechanics but an doing research on Higgs decays and would like to gain a bit more understanding.

ok, if you just want to understand what this statement means then:
the keyword in this sentence is gauge field theory. The group can be any (Lie) groups really, but gauge invariance means a lot. Suppose you have a group transformation operator, U(\vec \alpha) = \exp (i \vec \alpha \cdot \vec g) where
\vec g = (g_1, g_2, \ldots, g_n) and the g_i is a generator of the group G. here \vec \alpha = (\alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ldots, \alpha_n) is just a list of parameters. now if a transformation under U(\vec \alpha), say
\psi'(x)=U(\vec \alpha) \psi(x) leave your overall Lagrangian (say a Dirac Lagrangian) invariance, then we say the Lagrangian is invariant under a global phase transformation. Now what is this Lagrangian, it is unimportant for someone who do not know Quantum Mechanics. But what is important is that suppose you have some Lagrangian which is made up of some combinations of the \psi(x) field and its conjugate put together in such a way that when you apply U(\vec \alpha) to them the overall Lagrangian won't change (of course this needs not happen, but let's assume it does).

now we can go further and ask whether each \alpha_i are just numbers or can they be dependent on x (the position coordinate) as well? In general, you will find that the Lagrangian under such transformation as U(\vec \alpha(x)), do change and in order to keep it invariant, you need to introduce a gauge field and the associated gauge transformation of this field. So everytime when apply U(\vec \alpha(x)) to \psi(x), you also apply this gauge tranformation to your gauge field. Now if the overall Lagrangian remains unchanged after these series of tranformations (local gauge transformation), then we say it is gauge invariance. (ok... that's all you really need to know, without seeing the maths)

Now, the obvious by-product of the above process is the introduction of the gauge field which turns out to be, in the SU(2)xU(1) case, corresponding to the electroweak force. So, to answer your question as to what that initial statement means, it is nothing but saying that the gauge field associated with the SU(2)xU(1) group (when you apply this symmetry it leaves the appropriate electroweak lagrangian invariant) turns out to be the electroweak force we observed in reality.

people are motivated to look at this because for quantum electrodynamics (QED), the group is U(1)_Q where Q means charge. And it is known for a while that local gauge invariance is exactly how to explain electromagnetic interactions. Electroweak and SU(2)xU(1) is a great triumph for physics and symmetry.

NB: the generators for SU(2)_L\times U(1)_Y (for electroweak) are the pauli spin matrices and hypercharge Y (whatever that means.. but the key point is that it is different from Q)


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