Expression for effective potential energy

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The discussion revolves around finding the expression for effective potential energy in a system of two particles interacting via a central potential. The potential energy is defined piecewise based on the distance between the particles, with specific constants involved.

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  • Participants are examining the expression for effective potential energy and questioning the validity of terms used, particularly regarding dimensions and constants. There are attempts to clarify the role of angular momentum and the reduced mass in the context of the problem.

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Two particles of identical mass m interact with each other via central potential energy

Vcentral(r) = -V0(1-|r|/a), if 0 <= |r| <= a
0, if a < |r|

Constants are V0 > 0 and a > 0

What's the expression for the effective potential energy and what are the constants in your expression?

My attempt:

Veff = -V0(1-|r|/a) + M/2mr^2

M is the moment of inertia which is constant/conserved in any system relative to the centre.

/*I'm not sure about this any and all help would be very much appreciated! Thank you in advance :) */
 
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Hello Thorscira ##\qquad## :welcome: ##\qquad## !

Please don't erase the template -- guidelines

I don't agree with
Thorscira said:
M is the moment of inertia which is constant/conserved in any system relative to the centre.
there is something else (involving M) that is conserved

The expression (Please use the sub- and superscript buttons)
Veff = -V0(1-|r|/a) + M/2mr2
can not be right: check the dimensions !
 
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BvU said:
The expression (Please use the sub- and superscript buttons)
I'm so sorry! It's my first time posting on here and I wasn't sure how to define vectors and things. r is a vector describing two dimensions.
 
can you fix the dimensions problem I mentioned ?
 
Veffective(r) = -V0(1-|r|/α) + M/2mr2

I hope this is okay, I underlined the vectors.
 
second term is length squared
 
This is what I've got so far:

Veffective(r) = -V0(1-|r|/α) + M/2μr2

In this case the angular momentum would be constant and μ, right?

If we keep the distance α fixed but V0 can be varied and the angular momentum is nonzero. Is there a way one can express the critical value of V0 as a function of the reduced mass, α, and the angular momentum?
 
you can not add length squared to energy
is it clear what mu is?
 

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