Extending an infinitesimal operator

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The discussion revolves around the process of extending an infinitesimal rotation operator in Quantum Mechanics to a finite rotation. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and reasoning behind this transition, particularly focusing on the limit process that leads to the exponential form of the rotation operator.

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  • One participant notes that the infinitesimal rotation operator can be expressed as a limit that leads to the exponential form, referencing Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics".
  • Another participant explains that the limit is taken to achieve a finite rotation by performing infinitely many infinitesimal rotations, ensuring the correct angle is reached.
  • A participant questions the specific form of the limit process, asking why the angle is divided by N and not the entire expression, and seeks clarification on the reasoning behind this approach.
  • In response, a participant elaborates on the decomposition of the rotation operator, illustrating that the finite angle can be broken down into smaller parts, and emphasizes the importance of ensuring that the angle remains small enough for the decomposition to hold.
  • One participant expresses understanding after the explanation, indicating that the clarification helped resolve their confusion.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical process of extending the infinitesimal operator to a finite one, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific reasoning behind the limit process and the form it takes. The discussion remains partially unresolved as questions about the procedure are raised.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of the rotation operator under decomposition and the conditions under which the limit process is valid. There is an implicit dependence on the smallness of the angles involved for the mathematical arguments to hold.

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I notice that in Quantum Mechanics when extending an infinitesimal operation to a finite one, we should end with the exponential. For example: (rf. Sakurai, Modern Quantum Mechanics)

$$
D(\boldsymbol{\hat n}, d\phi) = 1 - \frac{i}{\hbar} ( \boldsymbol {J \cdot \hat n})d\phi
$$

This is the infinitesimal version of the rotation operator, where ##\boldsymbol{\hat n}## is a unit vector and ##J## is the angular-momentum operator. Now the "finite" version of the rotation operator, that generates a rotation by a finite angle (meaning non-infinitesimal angle) is

$$
\lim_{N \to \infty}[1 - \frac{i}{\hbar} (\boldsymbol{J \cdot \hat n})\frac{\phi}{N}]^N = exp[- \frac{i}{\hbar} (\boldsymbol{J \cdot \hat n})d\phi]
$$

My question here is how does one know that the correct procedure for going to infinitesimal to finite operations is to take that limit above?
 
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The idea behind taking this limit is simply this: to get a finite rotation, we make infinitely many infinitesimal rotations (albeit with the proper weighting to ensure that we do indeed arrive at the desired finite rotation angle in the end).
 
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@Fightfish Thanks for replying.
Fightfish said:
to get a finite rotation, we make infinitely many infinitesimal rotations
But why this procedure takes that form in my example? For example, why don't divide all terms by N and after exponentiate it? Why that particular form of dividing the angle ##\phi## by ##N## and after exponentiating the two terms?

Is this because in the limit as ##N## tends to infinity ##(\phi / N)## tends to ##d\phi##, and also we should mutiply the infinitesimal operator ##N## times? But why should we multiply it instead of summing up?
 
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Hmm...I'm not sure where your confusion is.
Let's consider applying ##D(\varphi)## twice. If ##\varphi## is small enough, then ##D(\varphi) D(\varphi) = D(2\varphi)##.

Conversely, the opposite decomposition holds as well: ##D(\varphi) = D(\varphi/2) D(\varphi/2)##. In a similar fashion I could also do ##D(\varphi) = D(\varphi/3) D(\varphi/3) D(\varphi/3)## and ##D(\varphi) = [D(\varphi/N) ]^N ##. This decomposition is only true if ##\varphi/N## is small enough of course - so to ensure that, we go ahead and take the limit ##N \to \infty##.

So, you see that what we are doing is chopping up the finite angle ##\varphi## into ##N## parts, and do ##N## small rotations of ##\varphi/N## each in order to achieve the final overall rotation.

You do not divide the whole expression by ##N## because what we are looking for is ##D(\varphi/N)##, not ##D(\varphi)/N##.
 
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Ah, ok. I see now. Thank you !
 

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