Extension of Variation of Parameters to First Order Non-Linear ODE?

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The discussion revolves around the extension of the Variation of Parameters method to solve a first-order non-linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) related to the motion of a rocket experiencing mass depletion and drag forces. Participants explore analytical or semi-analytical solutions to the problem, particularly focusing on the transformation of the non-linear ODE into a second-order linear ODE.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sharat presents the equation of motion for a rocket and expresses difficulties in applying the traditional Variation of Parameters due to the non-linearity of the resulting equation.
  • Some participants suggest transforming the non-linear ODE into a second-order linear ODE, which is related to Bessel functions.
  • There is a discussion about the initial conditions for the transformed variables and how to handle the constants arising from the second-order linear ODE.
  • Concerns are raised regarding whether applying the condition f'=0 at t=0 is appropriate, given that it may not fully capture the behavior of the function f.
  • Participants discuss the implications of substituting back into the expression for V and the potential inconsistencies in the proposed methods for eliminating constants.
  • Sharat acknowledges potential errors in previous derivations and expresses intent to recheck and formally derive the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the handling of initial conditions and the transformation process. There is no consensus on the best approach to eliminate constants or the appropriateness of certain assumptions, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty in the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typos and inconsistencies in their equations, which may affect the derivations and solutions being discussed. The transformation to Bessel functions introduces additional complexity that is not fully resolved.

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The equation of motion of a rocket with mass depletion during ascent and subject to drag forces can be written as

M(t) dV/dt = A - M(t)g - BV^2 (Eq. 1)

with initial condition V(t=0) = 0 (V is velocity and t is time)

Let us assume a linear mass depletion according to

M(t) = Mo - Kt (Eq. 2)

In Eqs 1 and 2, A, B, g, Mo and K are all constants >/= 0

For the limiting case B = 0, Eq. 1 reduces to a nicely separable form and can easily be solved. For B =/= 0, Eq. 1 can be cast as

dV/dt + p(t)V^2 = q(t) (Eq. 3)

where

p(t) = B/(M(t)

and

q(t) = A/M(t) - g

However, the non-linearity (in V) of Eq. 3 leaves me stuck, since the traditional Variation of Parameters approach does not apply.

Any ideas on how to proceed (in the context of an analytical or at least a semi-analytical solution) would be deeply appreciated.

-Sharat
 
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In attachment it is shown how to transform this non-linear EDO to a second order linear EDO.
(which is related to Bessel functions)
 

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JJacquelin said:
In attachment it is shown how to transform this non-linear EDO to a second order linear EDO.
(which is related to Bessel functions)

Thanks! This looks neat. But what about the initial conditions for f and f'?

I could of course solve the 2nd order linear ODE and substitute f and f' back into the expression for V, but I'll have two constants and only one initial condition.

Or do I apply the condition (f'=0 at T=0 which follows from V(0)=0 ) to evaluate one constant, substitute back into V and apply the same condition V=0 to evaluate the other constant?

Also, I notice that the 2nd order linear ODE is not exactly in the form of Bessel's Differential Eqn. There must be some subtlety involved here, that I can look up, but the issue of the initial condition is still a bit confusing.

Many thanks again.
 
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Also, I notice that the 2nd order linear ODE is not exactly in the form of Bessel's Differential Eqn. There must be some subtlety involved here, that I can look up, but the issue of the initial condition is still a bit confusing.
Of course, it isn't a standard Bessel equation. There are a number of variants and the solutions generally are combinaisons of sum and products of Bessel functions with some elementary functions.
I could of course solve the 2nd order linear ODE and substitute f and f' back into the expression for V, but I'll have two constants and only one initial condition.
Or do I apply the condition (f'=0 at T=0 which follows from V(0)=0 ) to evaluate one constant, substitute back into V and apply the same condition V=0 to evaluate the other constant?
The substitution V = ((Mo-k*t)/(B*f))(df/dt) and condition V(0)=0 imply not only (df/dt)=0 but also introduce un supplementary condition :
at t=0 Mo²(d²f/dt²)=B*(A-Mo*g)*f
obtained from the second order linear ODE in which df/dt=0
Preferably, solve the second order linear ODE with two arbitrary coefficients. Then subsitute back in order to obtain the solutions V(t) depending on the two coefficients. Apply the condition dV/dt=0 at t=0 and bring back the found functions V(t) in the initial non-linear ODE. Then eliminate the non consistent solutions, which will determine the appropriate values of the coefficients.
 
JJacquelin,

Many thanks again for your help. Could you kindly review the attached where I've re-derived the last step (I think you had a k in the coefficient of df/dT in your last equation that should not be there) and compared it to a transformed version of Bessel's Differential Equation from which I get a solution in terms of Bessel Functions of the First Kind.

I apologise for any confusion due to my introducing the variable [tex]\xi[/tex] = -T

I was thinking of using df/d[tex]\xi[/tex] =0 to eliminate one of the constants (C2=Q*C1, where Q is a constant), substitute back into the expression for V whereupon C1 vanishes. Is there something inconsistent about this procedure, that I should be aware of?

Thanks

-Sharat

While it may be obvious, I forgot the = 0 in the RHS of the transformed ODE.
 

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I apologise for any confusion due to my introducing the variable = -T
No problem
Could you kindly review the attached where I've re-derived the last step (I think you had a k in the coefficient of df/dT in your last equation that should not be there) and compared it to a transformed version of Bessel's Differential Equation from which I get a solution in terms of Bessel Functions of the First Kind.
You are right. There are mistakes in my last equation. In your equation too (see attachment)
Better, check once again.
 

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I was thinking of using df/d =0 to eliminate one of the constants (C2=Q*C1, where Q is a constant), substitute back into the expression for V whereupon C1 vanishes. Is there something inconsistent about this procedure, that I should be aware of?
I am not sure that it's so simple.
V(0)=0 implies f '/f=0 which isn't exactly the same as f '=0 since f might also tends to 0 when t tends to 0.
I think that it should be better to keep the two constants, compute f ' and express f '/f as a serie development of t. Then determine the relationship between tne constants so that the limit be 0 for t=0. May be I am too cautious...
 
Thanks again! You are right in that I too missed the k^2 in the denominator (amongst other typos)

I will recheck everything and formally derive the solution which I will post.

Cheers,

-Sharat
 

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