Extra-Galactic Stars: Are There Any?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of extragalactic stars, exploring whether stars can escape their galaxies and become intergalactic. Participants examine the mechanisms behind such ejections and the observational evidence for stars outside of their birth galaxies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that stars can break free from their galaxies due to the expansion of space-time, although this is contested.
  • Others argue that the expansion of the universe is too weak to overcome gravitational forces within galaxies, suggesting that intergalactic stars are primarily ejected during galactic collisions or near misses.
  • Examples of stars ejected from the Milky Way, including a pulsar moving at high speed, are mentioned as evidence of extragalactic stars.
  • A participant questions whether the ejection of stars is similar to a flywheel effect, prompting further discussion on the mechanisms involved.
  • Some participants note that the definition of 'extragalactic star' is crucial to the discussion, with mentions of stars in globular clusters and streams found in observational data.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of extragalactic stars, with some participants asserting that they are not more variable than ordinary stars, while others suggest that selection effects may influence observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the existence and nature of extragalactic stars, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on several points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of 'extragalactic star', the potential influence of selection effects on observations, and the complexity of the mechanisms behind star ejection.

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Are the any? i would think that of all the stars in the u that a few some how
broke free from gravity and the expansion of space time has separated them from their birth galaxy.
 
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The expansion of the universe is very weak - far too weak to overcome gravity within a galaxy. It only has an effect on the gaps between galaxies.

That being said, I'm sure there are lots of intergalactic stars. Every galactic collision and even near misses within galaxies would send stars flying across the emptiness.
 
Is this ejection some what akin to a flywheel effect?
 
Probably not. The last link above mentions asymmetric SN explosions but concludes that there is not enough energy to account for that velocity. What it doesn't mention is the possibility of the Neutron Star being one of a binary system where the other star goes SN. That would give more of a radial kick than an asymmetric explosion.
 
It partly depends, as it always does, no your definition (of 'extragalactic star#), but there are a very great many that have been observed.

Leaving aside stars in globular clusters (they aren't 'galaxies', but I somehow feel they don't qualify, under whatever definition wolfram ends up using), there are all those in the various streams which researchers using SDSS data have found - those stripped from globular clusters and satellite galaxies, the streams which appear to have no parents, and the thousands of just plain old stars that are out there, beyond the usual boundary of the Milky Way.

Then there are the thousands in the Virgo cluster ... IIRC, the first of these was discovered a decade or more ago, and recently the HST imaged a small region, discovering lots more.

There was also, recently, a deep image of the Virgo core, showing streams and the faint glow of lots and lots of 'extragalactic stars'.

Some researchers have tried to use 'field' planetary nebulae, as tracers of the outer reaches of some galaxies, to better estimate the distribution of DM (wolfram may not count these as 'extragalactic').

Finally, in almost any image of interacting galaxies, esp those with nice long 'tidal tails', there are great numbers of stars that are well on their way to becoming 'extragalactic'!
 
I have just read that some or most of these extragalactic things are variables, if so why ?
 
They're not; or, they're not more variable than ordinary stars of similar kinds (you may have stumbled into one of those selection effects which are the bane of astronomers' lives).
 
Nereid said:
They're not; or, they're not more variable than ordinary stars of similar kinds (you may have stumbled into one of those selection effects which are the bane of astronomers' lives).
love and best wishes to nereid, many thanks.
 

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