Extraterrestrial Archaeological Expeditions?

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The discussion centers on the potential for extraterrestrial archaeological expeditions on Mars, particularly in light of recent studies suggesting that Mars may have had conditions suitable for life billions of years ago. Participants explore the implications of these findings, the validity of reported objects on Mars, and the rationale for manned versus unmanned missions to the planet.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the early atmosphere of Mars being stripped away by solar winds indicates that life could have existed there, similar to Earth.
  • Others argue that claims of objects resembling a traffic light or sphere on Mars are likely pareidolia, questioning the seriousness of such rumors.
  • One participant posits that if a technological civilization had existed on Mars, evidence would be more substantial than mere ambiguous shapes seen in images.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that advanced intelligence on Mars billions of years ago is improbable, suggesting that any supposed artifacts would be more complex than simple patterns.
  • Some participants advocate for manned missions to Mars, while others argue that unmanned missions are more effective for exploration and data collection.
  • There is a suggestion that if alien artifacts exist, they would likely be found floating in space rather than on Mars, due to the planet's insufficient conditions for advanced life.
  • One participant humorously notes that the mention of a traffic light could serve as a justification for the manned space program, while another emphasizes the capabilities of robotic probes in distinguishing natural formations from artificial objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the existence of artifacts on Mars or the necessity of manned missions. Disagreement exists regarding the interpretation of reported objects and the likelihood of advanced life on Mars.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of current evidence and the reliance on interpretations of visual data from Mars. There is an acknowledgment of the speculative nature of claims regarding extraterrestrial artifacts.

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Hello all,

As a lot of you may know, there have recently been new studies showing that the early atmosphere of Mars was stripped away by solar winds, traveling millions of miles per hour. It can even give a clear indication that life on Mars, 4 billion years ago, could be similar to Earth as it is right now. There have been a lot of rumours about objects on Mars that have been caught, such as a traffic light or sphere. Most of them seem pretty cheesy rumors, as it would be brought up in the scientific community, but since our recent discovery, should things like that be taken more seriously? Now that we know that 4 billions years ago, Mars could be like Earth, couldn't we expect it? Also, do you think NASA should fund a trip to Mars, not only to step foot on it, but lead an extreterrestrial archaeological expedition to find objects that could have been from the past?
 
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Fuinne said:
Hello all,

As a lot of you may know, there have recently been new studies showing that the early atmosphere of Mars was stripped away by solar winds, traveling millions of miles per hour. It can even give a clear indication that life on Mars, 4 billion years ago, could be similar to Earth as it is right now.
We have known for decades that Mars had large bodies of water billions of years ago. Nothing recently discovered has changed that.

Fuinne said:
There have been a lot of rumours about objects on Mars that have been caught, such as a traffic light or sphere. Most of them seem pretty cheesy rumors, as it would be brought up in the scientific community, but since our recent discovery, should things like that be taken more seriously?
They are not rumours, they are pareidolia - the tendency to read meaning into non-meaningful patterns.

New discoveries have done nothing to make them less fanciful.
 
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The surface of Mars has been mapped in considerable detail at this stage by numerous orbiters.
Had there ever been a technological civilization on Mars I am sure these orbiters would have seen something more telling than a traffic light.
(such as the ruins of one or two large cities, and you can't really have a technological civilization without large population centers.)
There is no part of the surface which suggests anything other than natural geological processes at work.

(This doesn't rule out the possibility of more primitive life though)
 
Advanced intelligence native to Mars billions of years ago is wildly improbable, unless you are suggesting aliens once had a martian outpost. If so, I would expect something more baffling than petroglyphs. Apophenia is the more likely explanation
 
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Also, do you think NASA should fund a trip to Mars, not only to step foot on it, but lead an extreterrestrial archaeological expedition to find objects that could have been from the past?

The only reason to send a manned expedition is to set foot on it (perhaps on the way to do more ambitious things, of course). If we just want to know what's there or not there, the unmanned missions are more effective.
 
I would think that if we were to discover alien artifacts, they would most likely be floating in space, not on a planet's surface. Mars wasn't wet long enough for advanced beings like us to evolve. If there is non-human technology in our solar system, it did not originate in our neighborhood.
 
"objects on Mars such as a traffic light or sphere"

Another justification for the manned space program!
 
Bernie G said:
"objects on Mars such as a traffic light or sphere"
Another justification for the manned space program!
Pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek, but for the sake of other readers:

Robot probes are quite capable of distinguishing a Martian rock from a traffic light. If some rock proved to be mysterious enough to warrant further investigation, there's nothing stopping the rover from doing all the investigation necessary to determine the rock's natural origins. The spotty, rare images we get aren't because the rovers can't investigate; it's because there's no compelling need to.

If a rover rolled around to the other side of the 'traffic light rock' and saw a #24 machine bolt sticking out of it, that would be cause for a manned mission.
 

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