F1 Enthusiasts: Who's Better - Alonso or Hamilton?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a comparison between Formula 1 drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton, exploring their performances, team dynamics, and individual skills. Participants express their opinions on who they believe is the better driver, referencing specific races and incidents throughout the season.

Discussion Character

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Hamilton has been unfairly supported by McLaren, suggesting that team bias affects Alonso's performance.
  • Others highlight Hamilton's impressive podium finishes and resilience during races, despite technical difficulties.
  • Some express skepticism about Hamilton's driving skills, citing incidents where he struggled on track.
  • Alonso's tactical abilities and experience are praised by some, while others criticize his complaints about team favoritism.
  • There are mixed opinions on the impact of external factors, such as weather conditions and team strategies, on both drivers' performances.
  • Several participants speculate on the potential outcomes of the championship, with varying predictions for both drivers.
  • Some express a preference for Kimi Raikkonen, suggesting he could be a contender despite his challenges this season.
  • Discussions also touch on the historical context of F1 rivalries and the significance of specific races in shaping perceptions of the drivers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on who is the better driver, with multiple competing views remaining. There is ongoing debate about the influence of team dynamics, individual skill, and external race conditions on their performances.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about driver performance are based on subjective interpretations of race incidents and team strategies, leading to varying conclusions about their skills and potential outcomes.

Who May Find This Useful

Fans of Formula 1, particularly those interested in driver comparisons, team strategies, and race analyses, may find this discussion engaging.

  • #31
I think in recent weeks he's betrayed a bit of that professional facade that he's been putting up with the pressure. Hes constantly whining to the press about this, that and the other while Alonso is just getting on with it. Also the incident at Hungary where he disobeyed team orders and then got Alonso penalised for it was not particularly professional. the press in England were particularly awful when they instantly assumed it was Alonso's fault before all the facts had come out. Hamilton does not drive particularly well either as all his tyre problems have shown us. He is always locking up and sliding the rear end which caused that delamination of one of the front tyres and the recent problems in shanghai. Not very good when you consider neither of the other top 3 had those problems and they all ran the same time or longer on their tyres.
 
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  • #32
Kurdt, i think Hamiltons problems are technical and political, Alonso s are skill.
 
  • #33
: Alonso is perfectly well endowed in the skills department thank you. :smile:
 
  • #34
Kurdt said:
: Alonso is perfectly well endowed in the skills department thank you. :smile:

I would love to put some of the lower ranking drivers in Alonso s car, i would bet that they would equal or better his performance, may be Hamilton was just in the right place at the right time, however it does not detract from his rookie introduction into F1.
 
  • #35
Alonso and Hammy aren't that far apart throughout the season. Alonso did have the disadvantage of not having driven on bridgestones though.

If you're talking super-rookies that has to be Vettel this season. And Hamilton's driving was atrocious behind the safety car. It was only the fact that Ecclestone loves him that he escaped any penalty.
 
  • #36
Kurdt said:
Alonso and Hammy aren't that far apart throughout the season. Alonso did have the disadvantage of not having driven on bridgestones though.

If you're talking super-rookies that has to be Vettel this season. And Hamilton's driving was atrocious behind the safety car. It was only the fact that Ecclestone loves him that he escaped any penalty.


So now you try to compare a two times world champions skill with a rookie, how many rookies have achieved what Hamilton has, either Hamilton is a brilliant driver or Alonso is below average with a better car than other teams.
 
  • #37
or Hamilton was born into the world of F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Where other drivers have had to claw their way up with little or no financial backing, Hamilton had the best equipment paid for and tweaked by one of the top F1 teams. It's just not as miraculous as people are making out. Now Vettel is an excellent driver. What he has done in the Toro Rosso is rather remarkable.
 
  • #38
Kurdt said:
or Hamilton was born into the world of F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Where other drivers have had to claw their way up with little or no financial backing, Hamilton had the best equipment paid for and tweaked by one of the top F1 teams. It's just not as miraculous as people are making out. Now Vettel is an excellent driver. What he has done in the Toro Rosso is rather remarkable.


It is the over all package that wins in F1, money equals MPH, Down force, handling,
driver skill is using these things, if a rookie can give a two times world champion a run for the money, more points until the last race, i would say the rookie is lucky to be in the right team at the right time with the right skills.
 
  • #39
i have to agree with kurdt on this, hamilton is indeed a boy with a silver spoon. he had the best anyone could get to the road to F1. others had to make their way.
 
  • #40
ank_gl said:
i have to agree with kurdt on this, hamilton is indeed a boy with a silver spoon. he had the best anyone could get to the road to F1. others had to make their way.

Did Hamilton have to work less hard for his training? he was single minded and had his eyes set on F1 from a very early age, there is nothing to stop others following this path.
 
  • #41
It's just that Hamilton found a mentor (sort of), at a very young age, in Ron Denis. Alonso had to start from the bottom, at a team like Minardi, before he could find himself winning championships.
 
  • #42
everyone does not get a top team like mclaren in their rookie season
 
  • #43
ank_gl said:
everyone does not get a top team like mclaren in their rookie season


We could argue favoritism until the cows come home, F1 is drenched in it.
 
  • #44
whatever
 
  • #45
ALONSO all the way!:-p:biggrin::-p
 
  • #46
Kimi Raikkonen 2007 World Champion! Well done Kimi!
 
  • #47
Woohoo!
 
  • #48
Commiseration to Hamilton.
 
  • #49
hehe kimi won, yippy
who could have thought, kimi had the slimmest chance of making it, but he did it. kudos to kimi. i can't stop the celebrations here. yipppppppppppppyyyyyyyyyy:))

though i am sorry for hami, he had it all under his feet in his rookie season. anyways it is good for him, had he won it, there would have been nothing left for him to conquer
 
  • #50
stupid me started the thread as fernando vs lewis, :)) but kimi won
 
  • #51
Well it would have been different had McLaren done what they were supposed to do and backed Alonso. They would have had at least the drivers championship.
 
  • #52
mclaren would have had the driver's had they backed anyone of the two..
supporting both of them to the driver's was their wrong doing
 
  • #53
Kurdt said:
Well it would have been different had McLaren done what they were supposed to do and backed Alonso. They would have had at least the drivers championship.

ank_gl said:
mclaren would have had the driver's had they backed anyone of the two..
supporting both of them to the driver's was their wrong doing

Wouldn't that have made matters worse for them?
 
  • #54
In other news, we will have a flashy new night race next season, while Nurburgring is out of the calendar. :frown:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7040.html
 
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  • #55
The Nurburgring isn't a great loss in my opinion. I just wish they'd get the Nordschleife back on the calendar. There are going to be 3 street races next year as well. That should be interesting.
 
  • #56
neutrino said:
Wouldn't that have made matters worse for them?

yes that certainly would have added to the fire, but then Mclaren had two champs, that is always a problem. you can't have two people fighting for the same title from the same team. competitors are supposed to be aggressive towards each other, that's how they fight. and when the two competitors were in same garage, garage wasnt a happy place to be in
 
  • #57
I don't think there would be problems in a team with two competing drivers, unless one, or both, is an immature brat. :wink:
 
  • #58
like alonso in mclaren?? or lewis in mclaren??
 
  • #59
Obviously Lewis. If they'd kept him on the leash properly alonso wouldn't have been penalised in Hungary and he would have won the race and the drivers championship. :biggrin:
 
  • #60
enough.
i don't like alonso a bit, he always keeps complaining about the team and lewis, he aint a team man.
last season too, he complained about giancarlo fisichella.
 

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