F1 Enthusiasts: Who's Better - Alonso or Hamilton?

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The discussion centers on the rivalry between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton in Formula 1, with participants expressing strong opinions about their performances and team dynamics. Many argue that Hamilton has shown remarkable skill, particularly in challenging races, and is poised to win the championship, despite some technical issues and team favoritism towards him. Others contend that Alonso, a two-time champion, has been undermined by McLaren's bias and poor strategic decisions, which have affected his performance. The conversation also touches on the impact of team politics, with some believing that McLaren's decision to support both drivers equally has led to missed opportunities for winning the championship. Participants express mixed feelings about Alonso's complaints regarding team support and Hamilton's rookie status, debating whether his success is due to talent or the advantages of being in a top team. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of driver rivalries, team strategies, and the influence of external factors in Formula 1 racing.
  • #31
I think in recent weeks he's betrayed a bit of that professional facade that he's been putting up with the pressure. Hes constantly whining to the press about this, that and the other while Alonso is just getting on with it. Also the incident at Hungary where he disobeyed team orders and then got Alonso penalised for it was not particularly professional. the press in England were particularly awful when they instantly assumed it was Alonso's fault before all the facts had come out. Hamilton does not drive particularly well either as all his tyre problems have shown us. He is always locking up and sliding the rear end which caused that delamination of one of the front tyres and the recent problems in shanghai. Not very good when you consider neither of the other top 3 had those problems and they all ran the same time or longer on their tyres.
 
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  • #32
Kurdt, i think Hamiltons problems are technical and political, Alonso s are skill.
 
  • #33
: Alonso is perfectly well endowed in the skills department thank you. :smile:
 
  • #34
Kurdt said:
: Alonso is perfectly well endowed in the skills department thank you. :smile:

I would love to put some of the lower ranking drivers in Alonso s car, i would bet that they would equal or better his performance, may be Hamilton was just in the right place at the right time, however it does not detract from his rookie introduction into F1.
 
  • #35
Alonso and Hammy aren't that far apart throughout the season. Alonso did have the disadvantage of not having driven on bridgestones though.

If you're talking super-rookies that has to be Vettel this season. And Hamilton's driving was atrocious behind the safety car. It was only the fact that Ecclestone loves him that he escaped any penalty.
 
  • #36
Kurdt said:
Alonso and Hammy aren't that far apart throughout the season. Alonso did have the disadvantage of not having driven on bridgestones though.

If you're talking super-rookies that has to be Vettel this season. And Hamilton's driving was atrocious behind the safety car. It was only the fact that Ecclestone loves him that he escaped any penalty.


So now you try to compare a two times world champions skill with a rookie, how many rookies have achieved what Hamilton has, either Hamilton is a brilliant driver or Alonso is below average with a better car than other teams.
 
  • #37
or Hamilton was born into the world of F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Where other drivers have had to claw their way up with little or no financial backing, Hamilton had the best equipment paid for and tweaked by one of the top F1 teams. It's just not as miraculous as people are making out. Now Vettel is an excellent driver. What he has done in the Toro Rosso is rather remarkable.
 
  • #38
Kurdt said:
or Hamilton was born into the world of F1 with a silver spoon in his mouth. Where other drivers have had to claw their way up with little or no financial backing, Hamilton had the best equipment paid for and tweaked by one of the top F1 teams. It's just not as miraculous as people are making out. Now Vettel is an excellent driver. What he has done in the Toro Rosso is rather remarkable.


It is the over all package that wins in F1, money equals MPH, Down force, handling,
driver skill is using these things, if a rookie can give a two times world champion a run for the money, more points until the last race, i would say the rookie is lucky to be in the right team at the right time with the right skills.
 
  • #39
i have to agree with kurdt on this, hamilton is indeed a boy with a silver spoon. he had the best anyone could get to the road to F1. others had to make their way.
 
  • #40
ank_gl said:
i have to agree with kurdt on this, hamilton is indeed a boy with a silver spoon. he had the best anyone could get to the road to F1. others had to make their way.

Did Hamilton have to work less hard for his training? he was single minded and had his eyes set on F1 from a very early age, there is nothing to stop others following this path.
 
  • #41
It's just that Hamilton found a mentor (sort of), at a very young age, in Ron Denis. Alonso had to start from the bottom, at a team like Minardi, before he could find himself winning championships.
 
  • #42
everyone does not get a top team like mclaren in their rookie season
 
  • #43
ank_gl said:
everyone does not get a top team like mclaren in their rookie season


We could argue favoritism until the cows come home, F1 is drenched in it.
 
  • #44
whatever
 
  • #45
ALONSO all the way!:-p:biggrin::-p
 
  • #46
Kimi Raikkonen 2007 World Champion! Well done Kimi!
 
  • #47
Woohoo!
 
  • #48
Commiseration to Hamilton.
 
  • #49
hehe kimi won, yippy
who could have thought, kimi had the slimmest chance of making it, but he did it. kudos to kimi. i can't stop the celebrations here. yipppppppppppppyyyyyyyyyy:))

though i am sorry for hami, he had it all under his feet in his rookie season. anyways it is good for him, had he won it, there would have been nothing left for him to conquer
 
  • #50
stupid me started the thread as fernando vs lewis, :)) but kimi won
 
  • #51
Well it would have been different had McLaren done what they were supposed to do and backed Alonso. They would have had at least the drivers championship.
 
  • #52
mclaren would have had the driver's had they backed anyone of the two..
supporting both of them to the driver's was their wrong doing
 
  • #53
Kurdt said:
Well it would have been different had McLaren done what they were supposed to do and backed Alonso. They would have had at least the drivers championship.

ank_gl said:
mclaren would have had the driver's had they backed anyone of the two..
supporting both of them to the driver's was their wrong doing

Wouldn't that have made matters worse for them?
 
  • #54
In other news, we will have a flashy new night race next season, while Nurburgring is out of the calender. :frown:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7040.html
 
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  • #55
The Nurburgring isn't a great loss in my opinion. I just wish they'd get the Nordschleife back on the calendar. There are going to be 3 street races next year as well. That should be interesting.
 
  • #56
neutrino said:
Wouldn't that have made matters worse for them?

yes that certainly would have added to the fire, but then Mclaren had two champs, that is always a problem. you can't have two people fighting for the same title from the same team. competitors are supposed to be aggressive towards each other, that's how they fight. and when the two competitors were in same garage, garage wasnt a happy place to be in
 
  • #57
I don't think there would be problems in a team with two competing drivers, unless one, or both, is an immature brat. :wink:
 
  • #58
like alonso in mclaren?? or lewis in mclaren??
 
  • #59
Obviously Lewis. If they'd kept him on the leash properly alonso wouldn't have been penalised in Hungary and he would have won the race and the drivers championship. :biggrin:
 
  • #60
enough.
i don't like alonso a bit, he always keeps complaining about the team and lewis, he aint a team man.
last season too, he complained about giancarlo fisichella.
 

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