Faraday's law -- Confusion about which Area to use in calculations

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The discussion revolves around the application of Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction, specifically focusing on the calculation of magnetic flux through a loop in the presence of a solenoid. Participants are examining the conditions under which the formula for magnetic flux applies, particularly regarding the uniformity of the magnetic field and the appropriate area to consider for calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether the magnetic field produced by the solenoid is uniform across the area of the loop. There is a discussion about using the area of the loop that experiences the flux, particularly questioning the relevance of the loop's entire area versus just the cross-sectional area of the solenoid.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants questioning assumptions about the magnetic field's uniformity and the area to be used in calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the area of the loop that experiences the flux, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the magnetic field being zero outside the solenoid and how this affects the calculation of flux through the loop. There is an acknowledgment of the conditions under which the formula for flux applies.

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Since magnetic flux(phi) is given by BA, is the A referring to the area that is generating the flux or is it referring to the area that's experiencing the change in flux? For example, in the first question, area would clearly be referring to the area of the loop right, but in the second example, the solutions substituted A=(0.02^2)pi, which is the area of the solenoid that is generating the flux? Doesn't it make more sense to use A as the area for the area of the loop thats experiencing the flux, which is (0.06^2)pi?
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Ndphi/dt=emf
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The flux is not BA in general. Only when the magnetic field is uniform and perpendicular to the surface the formula for flux has this simple form. Uniform means the same value and direction for all points of the area considered.
Do you think that this condition is satisfied for the flux throug the ring? Is the magnetic field (produced by the solenoid) uniform across the area of the ring?
 
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yymm said:
Doesn't it make more sense to use A as the area for the area of the loop thats experiencing the flux, which is (0.06^2)pi?
Only the area of the loop that is equal to the cross sectional area of the solenoid has magnetic flux through it. Outside the solenoid the magnetic field is zero therefore the flux through the rest of the loop's area is zero. That makes sense, no?
 
kuruman said:
Only the area of the loop that is equal to the cross sectional area of the solenoid has magnetic flux through it. Outside the solenoid the magnetic field is zero therefore the flux through the rest of the loop's area is zero. That makes sense, no?
That makes complete sense! I forgot about it. Thanks!
 

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