Feynman's detectors at double slit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Feynman's statements regarding the double slit experiment and the impact of detectors on the interference pattern. Participants explore the implications of detecting particles, specifically photons and electrons, and question the theoretical basis of Feynman's claims in light of experimental limitations and advancements.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Feynman claimed the interference pattern disappears when detectors are placed at the double slits, attributed to "knowing with path." However, they express uncertainty about whether this specific experiment has been conducted due to the nature of photon detection requiring absorption.
  • Others mention that the double slit experiment can also be performed with electrons, suggesting that their position can be detected without absorption, raising questions about Feynman's context.
  • One participant questions the theoretical basis of Feynman's statements, pointing out that experiments with electrons were not conducted during his time.
  • Another participant suggests that while Feynman did not conduct the photon experiment, he could have theoretically used high-energy photons in a cloud chamber to observe tracks, which would imply a loss of interference.
  • Some participants refer to Feynman's works, noting that he discusses the fundamental results of quantum mechanics and the conditions under which interference is lost, but they debate the interpretation of his statements regarding "knowing which path."
  • One participant proposes a method to determine the path of photons without absorption by using polarizers, indicating that interference can still occur under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the validity of Feynman's claims or the experimental conditions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of detection on interference patterns and the historical context of Feynman's statements.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about photon detection, the historical availability of experimental setups, and the interpretations of Feynman's writings. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the experimental realizations of the concepts discussed.

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As far as I know Feynman was the first who told that if you would put detectors at the double slits the interference pattern would disappear, because of "knowing with path". But I think this specific experiment has never been done because a photon cannot be detected without absorption. So if Feynman could not have done the experiment, why did he stated in "QED, The strange theory of light and matter" that this is how nature works? Or is it the result of his calculation of paths, so he expects that nature would work so.
 
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I honestly don't know exactly what Feynman said in that context, however the double slit experiment also works with electrons. In that case you can detect their position without involving any absorption.
 
DParlevliet said:
As far as I know Feynman was the first who told that if you would put detectors at the double slits the interference pattern would disappear, because of "knowing with path". But I think this specific experiment has never been done because a photon cannot be detected without absorption. So if Feynman could not have done the experiment, why did he stated in "QED, The strange theory of light and matter" that this is how nature works? Or is it the result of his calculation of paths, so he expects that nature would work so.


This describes a recent "which way" or "Welcher Weg" experiment with electrons:
http://phys.org/news/2011-01-which-way-detector-mystery-double-slit.html

Or this one:
http://wiki.epfl.ch/mep/documents/MEP[08-09]_DOWNLOAD/applphyslett_93_073108_feynman_exp.pdf
 
But experiments which electrons has also not be done in Feynman's time. So what was the theoretical base of his statement?
 
As far as I know, Feynman never attempted the actual experiment with observation for photons. I do not believe such equipment was even available. What he could have done, however, was carry the experiment out with high-energy photons in a cloud chamber, thus revealing their tracks. This should (at least in principle) destroy the interference pattern.
 
It's a fundamental result of QM; Feynman goes into the details in "Lectures on Physics", the third volume.
 
DParlevliet said:
As far as I know Feynman was the first who told that if you would put detectors at the double slits the interference pattern would disappear, because of "knowing with path". But I think this specific experiment has never been done because a photon cannot be detected without absorption.
You can know which way of photons without absorption. You simply place a polarizer in front of each slit oriented 45° relative to the source. When those are parallel, there is interference. When they are crossed, there is no interference.
 
UltrafastPED said:
It's a fundamental result of QM; Feynman goes into the details in "Lectures on Physics", the third volume.

There Feynman says:

"If an experiment is performed which is capable of determining whether one or another alternative is actually taken, the probability of the event is the sum of the probabilities for each alternative. The interference is lost"

It would be jumping into conclusions to say that the interference is lost "because of knowing which path". Does he actually say that in the QED book ?
 

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