Field Transformations: Connections to Symmetries

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The discussion centers on the differences in scalar field transformations and their connections to internal and external symmetries, particularly in the context of spacetime translations and Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the implications of these transformations for energy-momentum conservation and the behavior of scalar fields versus higher-spin fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants inquire about the differences between three types of scalar field transformations: \(\phi(x) \to \phi'(x)\), \(\phi(x) \to \phi'(x')\), and \(\phi(x) \to \phi(x')\), and how these relate to symmetries.
  • One participant states that a scalar field is invariant under Lorentz transformations, implying that \(\phi(x) = \phi'(x')\) and that the field must transform to compensate for coordinate transformations.
  • Another participant questions whether the invariance and transformation properties discussed apply only to real scalar fields and expresses concern about the generality of energy-momentum conservation proofs for scalar fields, noting that scalar fields may not exist in nature.
  • A later reply asserts that energy-momentum conservation arises from the invariance of the Lagrangian under translations and that the transformation of the field does not depend on whether it is a scalar or higher-spin field.
  • Participants discuss the transformation of higher-spin fields under Lorentz transformations, highlighting the complexity of these transformations compared to scalar fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of scalar field transformations to real scalar fields and the implications for energy-momentum conservation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generality of these concepts and their relevance to fields that may not exist in nature.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of scalar fields and higher-spin fields, as well as the scope of energy-momentum conservation proofs. The discussion does not resolve the applicability of these transformations across different types of fields.

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What are the differences in (scalar) field transformations:

1) [tex]\phi(x)\to \phi'(x)[/tex]

2) [tex]\phi(x)\to \phi'(x')[/tex]

3) [tex]\phi(x)\to \phi(x')[/tex]

How this transformations are connected to internal and external symmetries?

For example, if we take spacetime global translations [tex]x^{\mu}\to x'^{\mu}=x^{\mu}+\epsilon^{\mu}[/tex] which one of the 3 is the corresponding transformation of the field?
 
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maxverywell said:
What are the differences in (scalar) field transformations:

1) [tex]\phi(x)\to \phi'(x)[/tex]

2) [tex]\phi(x)\to \phi'(x')[/tex]

3) [tex]\phi(x)\to \phi(x')[/tex]

How this transformations are connected to internal and external symmetries?

For example, if we take spacetime global translations [tex]x^{\mu}\to x'^{\mu}=x^{\mu}+\epsilon^{\mu}[/tex] which one of the 3 is the corresponding transformation of the field?
A scalar field is invariant under Lorentz transformations. What this means is that

[tex]\phi(x) = \phi'(x')~~~~(1)[/tex]

What this implies is that the field must transform,[itex]\phi(x)\to \phi'(x)[/itex] in such a way that the field transformation compensates for the transformation of the coordinate.
To find the explicit form of [itex]\phi'(x)[/itex] all you must do is to plug x' into Eq. (1) and Taylor expand.
 
nrqed said:
A scalar field is invariant under Lorentz transformations. What this means is that

[tex]\phi(x) = \phi'(x')~~~~(1)[/tex]

What this implies is that the field must transform,[itex]\phi(x)\to \phi'(x)[/itex] in such a way that the field transformation compensates for the transformation of the coordinate.
To find the explicit form of [itex]\phi'(x)[/itex] all you must do is to plug x' into Eq. (1) and Taylor expand.

Edit: thnx, I get it.

Is this valid only for real scalar fields?

I'm trying to prove energy-momentum conservation for space-time translations but this isn't proof for general case of energy-momentum conservation, only for scalar fields, but they don't exists in nature so how this can be useful?
 
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Energy-momentum conservation comes from the invariance of the Lagrangian under translations. To express a field phi in a translated coordinate system, you used instead of the field phi(x) the field phi(x+a). This does not depend on whether phi is a scalar field or some higher spin field. On making this replacement this you find that your Lagrangian is unchanged, which leads to energy-momentum conservation.

A scalar field is defined by its behavior under Lorentz transformations: to express phi in a Lorentz-transformed (boosted or rotated) frame you replace
[itex]\phi(x) \to \phi(\Lambda^{-1} x)[/itex]
Contrast a higher-spin field, which will have several components that mix under Lorentz transformations:
[itex]\psi_a(x) \to {D(\Lambda)_a}^b\psi_b(\Lambda^{-1}x)[/itex]
However you will only need to start thinking about these more complicated transformations when you ask about the conservation laws that come from Lorentz symmetry, namely angular momentum conservation.
 

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