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The discussion revolves around finding the polynomial of the lowest degree with integer coefficients that has a root of the form $$\sqrt{2} + \sqrt[3]{3}$$. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including Galois theory, to determine the degree of the polynomial and its properties.

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  • One participant presents a polynomial derived from manipulating the expression for $$x = \sqrt{2} + \sqrt[3]{3}$$, leading to the equation $$x^6 - 6x^4 - 6x^3 + 12x^2 - 36x + 1 = 0$$.
  • Another participant claims that the minimum degree of the polynomial is 6, based on the degrees of the extensions $$[{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt{2}, \sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}]$$ and the irreducibility of $$x^2 - 2$$ and $$x^3 - 3$$ over $$\mathbb{Q}$$.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the relationship between the roots and the Galois group, indicating that the minimal polynomial can be expressed as a product of linear factors involving the Galois conjugates of $$\alpha$$.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the Galois group structure and the nature of the roots, noting that the polynomial's degree is determined by the product of the degrees of the individual extensions.

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Participants generally agree on the conclusion that the minimum degree of the polynomial is 6, but the discussion includes various approaches and interpretations of the calculations involved, indicating some level of contestation regarding the methods used.

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Some participants note that the irreducibility of the polynomials $$x^2 - 2$$ and $$x^3 - 3$$ over $$\mathbb{Q}$$ is crucial for establishing the degree of the polynomial, but the discussion does not resolve all assumptions or dependencies on definitions.

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Find the polynomial of the lowest degree with integer coefficients such that one of its roots is $$\sqrt{2} + \sqrt[3]{3}$$.
 
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anemone said:
Find the polynomial of the lowest degree with integer coefficients such that one of its roots is $$\sqrt{2} + \sqrt[3]{3}$$.
If $x = \sqrt{2} + \sqrt[3]{3}$ then $3 = (x-\sqrt2)^3 = x^3 - 3\sqrt2x^2 + 6x - 2\sqrt2$. Therefore $x^3 + 6x - 3 = \sqrt2(3x^2+2)$, and $(x^3 + 6x - 3)^2 = 2(3x^2+2)^2$. So $x^6 - 6x^4 -6x^3 + 12x^2 - 36x + 1 = 0.$

I hope that someone who knows a bit about Galois theory would be able to tell us why 6 is the minimum possible degree for such a polynomial.
 
$\because (\sqrt 2)^2=2 $

$\& (\sqrt[3]{3})^3=3 $ (both are integers )

$\therefore 6 =(2\times 3)$ is the minimum possible degree

for such a polynomial with integer coefficients
 
Albert said:
$\because (\sqrt 2)^2=2 $

$\& (\sqrt[3]{3})^3=3 $ (both are integers )

$\therefore 6 =(2\times 3)$ is the minimum possible degree

for such a polynomial with integer coefficients

Right, but to spell it all out:

Let $\alpha = \sqrt{2} + \sqrt[3]{3}$·

First, it is equivalent to having a polynomial over $\mathbb Q$, indeed if $\frac{a_0}{b_0}+\frac{a_1}{b_1}\cdot \alpha + \ldots + \frac{a_n}{b_n} \cdot \alpha^n = 0$ (with $a_i\in {\mathbb Z}$ and $b_i\in {\mathbb Z}^+$) then $a_0 \cdot \left(b_1 \cdot \ldots \cdot b_n\right) + \ldots + a_n \cdot \left(b_1\cdot \ldots \cdot b_{n-1}\right) \cdot \alpha^n = 0$ and $\alpha$ would also be a root of an integer polynomial.

Next we prove that
\[{\mathbb Q} (\sqrt 2,\sqrt[3]{3}) = {\mathbb Q}(\alpha) \]​
We will prove that ${\mathbb Q} (\sqrt 2,\sqrt[3]{3}) \subseteq {\mathbb Q}(\alpha)$ since the other inclusion is trivial.

From Opalg's calculations we have \[3 = (\alpha-\sqrt2)^3 = \alpha^3 - 3\sqrt2\alpha^2 + 6\alpha - 2\sqrt2\] from where we can solve for $\sqrt 2$ in terms of $\alpha$ (and its powers) and rationals. Hence $\sqrt 2 \in {\mathbb Q}(\alpha)$
Finally, once you know $\sqrt{2} \in {\mathbb Q}(\alpha)$, it follows trivially that $\alpha - \sqrt{2} = \sqrt[3]{3}\in {\mathbb Q}(\alpha)$ and so $\sqrt[3]{3} \in {\mathbb Q}(\alpha)$.

Now it is not difficult to see that $[{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2,\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3})] = 2$.

Indeed $\sqrt 2 \not\in {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3})$, because $ 3 = [{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}] = [{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt{2})] \times [{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt{2}) : {\mathbb Q}] = 2 [{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt{2})]$ is absurd since $2\not | 3$, and so $x^2 - 2$ has no roots in ${\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3})$. Thus $x^2 - 2$ is the irreducible polynomial for $\sqrt 2$ over ${\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3})$ and we have $[{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2,\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3})] = 2$.

So that the degree is exactly
\[[{\mathbb Q}(\alpha) : {\mathbb Q}] = [{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2, \sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3})] \times [ {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}] = 2 \times 3 = 6 \]​

this means that the smallest possible degree is exactly 6.

Note: We have used that $ [ {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}] = 3$ and $ [ {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt{2}) : {\mathbb Q}] = 2$. These follow from the fact that $x^3 - 3$ and $x^2 - 2$ have not roots in $\mathbb Q$, and so they are irreducible over $\mathbb Q$ (since their degree is $\leq 3$).
 
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To show another approach, one can also find the minimal polynomial by using Galois Theory (plus using what we saw on the previous post here).

Indeed, remember ${\mathbb Q}(\alpha) = {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2, \sqrt[3]{3})$. And let $F = {\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2, \sqrt[3]{3}, e^{2\pi i / 3})$. Note that $F/ {\mathbb Q}$ is a Galois extension, since it is the splitting field of $q(x) :=(x^2 - 2)\cdot (x^3 - 3)\in {\mathbb Q}[x]$

It follows now, since the extension $F/{\mathbb Q}$ is Galois, that the minimal polynomial $p(x) \in {\mathbb Q}[x]$ for $\alpha$ is the product \[p(x) = \prod_{a \in S} (x - a) \]
where $S = \{ \sigma (\alpha) : \sigma \in {\text{Gal}} \left(F / {\mathbb Q}\right)\}$, the set of the Galois conjugates of $\alpha$.

But what are the elements of $ {\text{Gal}} \left(F / {\mathbb Q}\right)$ ? Indeed, by the Fundamental Theorem of Galois Theory we have
\[ | {\text{Gal}} \left(F / {\mathbb Q}\right) | = [F : {\mathbb Q}] = 12\]

(the final part can be proved by using $6 = [{\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2, \sqrt[3]{3}) : {\mathbb Q}]$, and noticing that $e^{2\pi i / 3}$ is a root of $x^2+x+1$ which doesn't have real roots, ando so has no roots in ${\mathbb Q}(\sqrt 2, \sqrt[3]{3}) \subseteq {\mathbb R}$).

Note that if $\sigma \in {\text{Gal}} \left(F / {\mathbb Q}\right)$, then $\sigma$ takes roots of $x^2 - 2$ to roots of $x^2 - 2$, and roots of $x^3 - 3$ to roots of $x^3 - 3$. Hence $\sigma (\sqrt 2) \in \{ \sqrt 2 , -\sqrt 2\}$, and $\sigma (\sqrt[3]{3}) \in \{\sqrt[3]{3}, \sqrt[3]{3}e^{2\pi i / 3},\sqrt[3]{3}e^{4\pi i / 3}\}$. Similarly, we note that $\sigma(e^{2\pi i / 3}) \in \{e^{2\pi i / 3},e^{4\pi i / 3}\}$ too, since it takes roots of $x^2+x+1$ to roots of $x^2+x+1$.

Since there are exactly twelve elements in the Galois group, this means that every choice for $\sigma(\sqrt 2)$, $\sigma(\sqrt[3]{3})$ and $\sigma(e^{2\pi i / 3})$ (by picking from the previous sets), the images of the generators, gives rise to an element of the Galois group. And conversly, this determines all of the elements of the Galois group.

Now it is easily checked then, that if we let $\omega = e^{2\pi i / 3}$ we have \[S = \{\sqrt 2 + \omega^0 \sqrt[3]{3}, \sqrt 2 + \omega \sqrt[3]{3}, \sqrt 2 + \omega^2 \sqrt[3]{3}, -\sqrt 2 + \omega^0 \sqrt[3]{3}, - \sqrt 2 + \omega^1 \sqrt[3]{3}, - \sqrt 2 + \omega^2 \sqrt[3]{3} \}\]
and now $p(x)$ is the product above :
\[p(x) = \prod_{j=0}^1 \prod_{k=0}^2 \left(x - (-1)^j \sqrt 2 - \omega^k \sqrt[3]{3} \right) \]
here, after doing operations for a while, we get
\[p(x) = x^6-6x^4-6x^3+12x^2-36x+1\]
as Opalg found earlier.
 

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