Find Answer to Wet Umbrella Problem: .97m

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The problem involves a wet umbrella being twirled about its handle, with the goal of determining how far water drops travel horizontally before hitting the floor. The context includes circular motion and projectile motion principles.

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  • Participants discuss calculating tangential velocity and time of flight, with some exploring the implications of energy loss and rounding errors. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the problem statement and whether the distance measured is from the handle or the point of water release.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential misinterpretations of the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the exact nature of the error.

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There is mention of possible energy loss when water drops escape the umbrella, and the phrasing of the problem statement is noted as potentially ambiguous, leading to different interpretations of the required distance.

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The problem: A wet umbrella is held upright and is twirled about the handle at a uniform rate of 21 revolution in 44 s. If the rim of the umbrella is a circle 1 m in diameter, and the height of the rim above the floor is 1.5 m, find how far the drops of water spun off the rim travel horizontally relative to the umbrella handle before they hit the floor?

My attempt: My general set of goals for this particular problem were to first find the tangential velocity using the given values for revolutions per second, and then proceed with the tangential velocity as if it were a two-dimensional projectile problem.
ω = Δθ/Δt, where 1 revolution is equal to 2π (I got 3.0 rad/s)
Vt=rω, where r=.5m
Vt=1.5m/s
Then, I proceeded as aforementioned (two-dimensional projectile problem)
I started with Δy=-1.5m and solved for t using Δy=Vi*t+.5at^2, with a=-9.8m/s^2 and Vi=0m/s (should be no initial vertical velocity, as far as I'm aware).
I ended up getting t^2=.31s^2, and then t=.56s
Then, I used that t-value and solved for Δx in the equation Δx=Vi*t+.5at^2, with Vi equal to the tangential velocity and a=0m/s^2.
I ended up getting .84m (with intermediate roundings of values).
Ultimately, my professor marked me off four points out of ten total points and gave the real answer as .97m. I've been looking at it for a while now and cannot seem to find my obvious error. Help?
 
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First thing is, we would probably expect some energy loss when escaping the surface tension, so what ever we calculate using this approach should be an upper bound on the true answer.

Anyway your approach looks fine to me, except minor rounding errors (t = sqrt(3/g) is more like 0.55s).
This makes the answer more like 0.83 ≈ (21pi/44)*sqrt(3/g).

One thing I did notice is that 0.97m is the furthest radial distance from the axis of the handle: √(0.83^2+0.5^2) = 0.97m = your professors answer, so maybe you misread the question and it really asked for the radial distance from the center (as opposed to asking for the displacement from where it lost contact).
 
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One thing I did notice is that 0.97m is the furthest radial distance from the axis of the handle: √(0.83^2+0.5^2) = 0.97m = your professors answer, so maybe you misread the question and it really asked for the radial distance from the center (as opposed to asking for the displacement from where it lost contact).
I would expect the same. The problem statement is poorly phrased. The relative motion is clearly the 84 cm (83 cm without rounding errors). The change in distance is 47 cm (the final distance of 97 cm minus the initial distance of 50 cm).
The final horizontal distance to the handle is 97 cm.
 
Thank you both for your replies! It helped.
 

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