Find Integer Solutions for x^3 + x^{2}y + xy^2 + y^3 = 8(x^2 + xy + y^2 + 1)

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The discussion revolves around finding integer solutions for the equation x^3 + x^{2}y + xy^2 + y^3 = 8(x^2 + xy + y^2 + 1). Participants explore various approaches to simplify the equation and analyze its properties, including parity considerations and transformations of variables.

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  • One participant simplifies the equation to (x^2 + y^2)(x + y - 8) = 8(xy + 1) and notes that both x and y must be either odd or even.
  • Another participant proposes a substitution x = u + v and y = u - v, leading to a new equation that is analyzed for integer solutions.
  • Discussions arise about the implications of the modular condition x ≡ y (mod 2) and its relevance to the problem.
  • Participants explore cases for u and v, leading to conclusions about the absence of integer solutions under certain conditions.
  • There is a focus on the conditions under which |u| and |v| are greater than or equal to 1, and how this leads to inequalities that must hold.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the reasoning behind certain inequalities and the implications for the values of u and v.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the mathematical reasoning presented, and there is no consensus on the clarity of certain arguments or the validity of the proposed solutions. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the problem remain evident.

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Some participants express confusion over specific steps in the reasoning process, particularly regarding the implications of certain inequalities and modular conditions. The discussion includes various assumptions and transformations that may not be universally accepted or understood.

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how to find the integer solutions of the following equation:
[tex]x^3 + x^{2}y + xy^2 + y^3 = 8(x^2 + xy + y^2 + 1)[/tex]

after simplifying, i got,
[tex](x^2 + y^2)(x + y - 8) = 8(xy + 1)[/tex]

from this, i can see that x and y are both odd or both even. but what should i do next. i tried putting x = 2p and y = 2q but that's not going anywhere.

thanks in advance.
 
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anyone? please:confused:
 
Murshid ,my man,here it is

murshid_islam said:
after simplifying, i got,
[tex](x^2 + y^2)(x + y - 8) = 8(xy + 1)[/tex]

Obviously [itex]x\equiv y (mod2)[/itex].
WLOG,put x=u+v,y=u-v and it is sufficient to consider:
[tex](u^2+v^2)(u-4)-2(u^2-v^2+1)=0[/tex]
  • if v=0,then u3-6u2-2=0
    This equation has no solutions in [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex]
  • if u=0,then v2+1=0 has no solutions in [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex]
  • if [itex]|u|\geq 1,|v|\geq 1[/itex] ,then, [itex]u^2+v^2>|u^2-v^2+1|[/itex] with consequence that [itex]|u-4|=1[/itex] must hold.
  • if u=3 ,than v2-29=0 has no solutions in [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex]
  • if u=5 ,than v2-9=0 has solutions v1=3,v2=-3

Thus, the diophantine equation we started with, has only two solutions in x,y :
S={(2,8),(8,2)}
 
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i didn't understand a few things. for example,

tehno said:
Obviously [itex]x\equiv y (mod2)[/itex].
where is this used?

if [itex]|u|\geq 1,|v|\geq 1[/itex] ,then, [itex]u^2+v^2>|u^2-v^2+1|[/itex] with consequence that [itex]|u-4|=1[/itex] must hold.
how did you get this?
 
ok, i understood this much:
if x = u+v and y = u-v, then x - y = 2v. therefore,
[tex]x - y \equiv 0 (\bmod \\ 2)[/tex]
[tex]x \equiv y (\bmod \\ 2)[/tex]

but what about the second one i mentioned in my last post? what i want to know is how did tehno get:

tehno said:
if [itex]|u| \geq 1, |v|\geq 1[/itex], then, [itex]u^2+v^2>|u^2-v^2+1|[/itex] with consequence that [itex]|u-4|=1[/itex] must hold.
 
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answer

murshid_islam said:
what i want to know is how did tehno get:...
by splitting it in two cases:

a) [itex]|u|\geq|v|\geq 1\rightarrow u^2-v^2+1\leq u^2<u^2+v^2[/itex]

b) [itex]|v|>|u|\geq 1\rightarrow |u^2-v^2+1|=v^2-u^2-1<v^2<u^2+v^2[/itex]

Joining these two in other words means that:

[tex]|u-4|=|2(u^2-v^2+1):(u^2+v^2)|<2\longrightarrow|u-4|=0\ or \ |u-4|=1[/tex]
which I specified in the post .
 
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tehno said:
a) [itex]|u|\geq|v|\geq 1\rightarrow u^2-v^2+1\leq u^2<u^2+v^2[/itex]

b) [itex]|v|>|u|\geq 1\rightarrow |u^2-v^2+1|=v^2-u^2-1<v^2<u^2+v^2[/itex]

is this how you got a) and b) ?:
[tex]|u| \geq |v| \geq 1[/tex]

[tex]u^2 \geq v^2 \geq 1[/tex]

[tex]-u^2 \leq -v^2 \leq -1[/tex]

[tex]0 \leq u^2 - v^2 \leq u^2 -1[/tex]

[tex]1 \leq u^2 - v^2 + 1 \leq u^2[/tex]

now [tex]u^2 - v^2 + 1 \leq u^2 < u^2 + v^2[/tex]

again,
[tex]|v| > |u| \geq 1[/tex]

[tex]v^2 > u^2 \geq 1[/tex]

[tex]-v^2 < -u^2 \leq -1[/tex]

[tex]0 < v^2 - u^2 \leq v^2 - 1[/tex]

[tex]1 < v^2 - u^2 + 1 \leq v^2[/tex]

now,
[tex]v^2 - u^2 - 1 < v^2 - u^2 + 1 \leq v^2 < u^2+ v^2[/tex]
[tex]v^2 - u^2 - 1 < v^2 < u^2 + v^2[/tex]

but how did you get the following:
tehno said:
Joining these two in other words means that:

[tex]|u-4|=|2(u^2-v^2+1):(u^2+v^2)|<2\longrightarrow|u-4|=0\ or \ |u-4|=1[/tex]
which I specified in the post .
 

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