Find Maximum Curvature of Line With Parametric Equations

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum curvature of a line defined by the parametric equations x = 5cos(t) and y = 3sin(t). Participants explore the mathematical formulation of curvature, its derivatives, and the conditions for maximum values, while also touching on integration techniques related to the problem.

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  • One participant outlines the curvature formula k = |v X a| / v^3 and describes the process of finding the derivatives needed to compute curvature.
  • Another participant provides an alternative expression for curvature, k = (x' y'' - y' x'') / (x'^2 + y'^2)^(3/2), and suggests that maximum curvature occurs when the denominator is minimized.
  • A participant questions whether differentiation of the curvature equation is necessary to find maximum and minimum values.
  • Another participant argues that finding where the denominator is smaller will yield the maximum curvature, as the function 1/x is decreasing.
  • One participant calculates specific values for curvature based on conditions derived from sin(t) and cos(t), concluding that maximum curvature occurs at x = ±5.
  • There is a mention of a potential error in earlier calculations regarding the use of the norm of the position vector instead of the velocity vector in the curvature formula.

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Participants express differing methods for determining maximum curvature, with no consensus on the approach or final values. Some focus on differentiating the curvature expression, while others emphasize minimizing the denominator.

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Participants reference specific values and conditions for curvature but do not resolve the discrepancies in their approaches or conclusions. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of trigonometric functions and their implications for curvature.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in advanced calculus, particularly in the context of parametric equations and curvature analysis.

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I'm having trouble finding the point of the maximum curvature of the line with parametric equations of: x = 5cos(t), and y = 3sin(t).

I know the curvature "k" is given by the eq.:

k = |v X a|/ v^3

Where v is the derivative of the position vector r = <5cos(t), 3sin(t) > , a is the derivative of v, and "v" is the norm of the velocity vector v.

I know I first have to find x', x'', y', and y'' to get the vectors v and a, and find the norm of v and cube it.

After plugging in the values and taking the absolute value of the cross product above, I evaluated when the numerator of k' (the derivative of the curvature equation) is equal to zero. I came up with the values of arctan(3/5), pi, zero, and pi/2. The book says the the maximum curvature occurs at x = plus or minus 5. I'm not sure what I did wrong.

Edit: Additionally, is there any way to integrate the square root of " (25*t^2) + 9 " dt without using integration tables? Any help is appreciated.
 
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[tex]k=\frac{\dot{x}\ddot{y}-\dot{y}\ddot{x}}{(\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2)^{3/2}}= \frac{15}{(9+16\sin^2t)^{3/2}},[/tex]

and then the maximum is reached when [itex]9+16\sin^2t[/itex] is minimum, which is in [itex]0,\pi,2\pi[/itex]. This makes total sence, as your curve is actually an ellipse with major semiaxis in the horizontal line. Now, what is the value of [itex]x[/itex] in such points?To do the integral simply do the change of variables [itex]t=\frac{3}{5}\tan x[/itex] so

[tex]\int \sqrt{25 t^2+9}dt=\frac{9}{5}\int\sec^3 xdx[/tex]

and then itegrate by parts taking [itex]u=\sec x,\,dv=\sec^2 x dx[/itex].
 
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Thank you for the reply. Once you get the equation for "k", don't you need to differentiate to find minimums and maximums?
 
That is a way of going, which will give you the max and the min's (namely [itex]\pi/2,3\pi/2[/itex]). What I did is finding out where the denominator is smaller, which will give the max of the curvature (since the function [itex]1/x[/itex] is decreasing).
 
After a differentiating the curvature with respect to t, then equation reduces to sin(t)cos(t)= 0. Obviously that can only happen if cos(t)= 0 or sin(t)= 0. If you assume cos(t)= 0, then sin(t) is 1 or -1 and putting those into the formula for curvature makes the curvature 15/5= 3. If you assume sin(t)= 0, then cos(t) is 1 or -1 and putting those into the formula for curvature makes the curvature 15/3= 5. Since 5 is the larger of those, it is the maximum curvature (3 is the minimum curvature). sin(t)= 0, cos(t)= 1 or -1 gives x= 5 or -5.
(if you got that cos(t)= 0 and so x=0, y= 3 or -3, you may have accidently used |r| rather than |v| in the formula. I did the first time I did the calculation!)
 

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