Find Solution to Cauchy Problem & Determine Space in $\mathbb{R}^2$

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The discussion revolves around solving a Cauchy problem involving a partial differential equation and determining the space in $\mathbb{R}^2$ where the initial condition applies. Participants explore the implications of the initial condition and the behavior of solutions over time, considering both theoretical and practical examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the solution to the Cauchy problem is given by $u(t,x)=4t+\sin{(x-t)}$ and questions the meaning of the space defined by the initial condition.
  • Another participant suggests that the space where the initial condition is defined could be represented as $\{(t,x)\in \mathbb R^2\mid |x|<1\} = \mathbb R \times (-1,1)$, indicating a rectangle of infinite length in both directions excluding the boundary.
  • Further clarification is offered that the space could be $\{(t,x)\in \mathbb{R}^2 \mid |x|<1, t \geq 0\} = [0,+\infty)\times (-1,1)$, which would represent a rectangle extending infinitely upward.
  • Participants discuss the significance of $t=0$ as a reference point in time, noting that it is common for problems to start at this point, but the solution may also hold for negative $t$.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate scenarios where the behavior of the solution before and after $t=0$ may differ, such as heating a metal cylinder or light passing through a fiber.
  • Concerns are raised about the differentiability of solutions at $t=0$, with one participant providing a specific example to illustrate potential non-differentiability.
  • Another participant questions the relationship between the examples discussed and the original Cauchy problem, seeking clarification on the nature of the differential equations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the initial condition's implications and the behavior of solutions over time. There is no consensus on whether $t<0$ should be included in the analysis, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the differentiability of solutions at $t=0$.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity in problem statements regarding the inclusion of $t<0$, as well as the conditions under which solutions are defined. The discussion also touches on the potential for different types of differential equations, such as the heat and wave equations, without reaching a definitive conclusion on their relationship to the original problem.

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Hello! (Wave)

I want to find the solution of the following Cauchy problem and determine the space in $\mathbb{R}^2$ where the initial condition defines the solution.

$$u_t+ u_x=4, u|_{t=0}=\sin{x} \text{ for } |x|<1$$

I found that the solution of the above initial value problem is $u(t,x)=4t+\sin{(x-t)}$.

What is meant with the space where the initial condition defines the solution? (Thinking)
 
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Hey evinda! (Smile)

It seems a bit like an odd question...

Best I can think of, is that
$$\{(t,x)\in \mathbb R^2\mid |x|<1\} = \mathbb R \times (-1,1)$$
is intended.
A rectangle of infinite length in both directions excluding the boundary. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey evinda! (Smile)

It seems a bit like an odd question...

Best I can think of, is that
$$\{(t,x)\in \mathbb R^2\mid |x|<1\} = \mathbb R \times (-1,1)$$
is intended.
A rectangle of infinite length in both directions excluding the boundary. (Thinking)

A ok... (Thinking)
Since $t$ represents the time, will we then have that the space in which the solution is defined is this one:

$$\{(t,x)\in \mathbb{R}^2 \mid |x|<1, t \geq 0\} = [0,+\infty)\times (-1,1)$$

? If so, will it represent a rectangle of infinite length in the upward direction excluding the boundary?
 
evinda said:
A ok... (Thinking)
Since $t$ represents the time, will we then have that the space in which the solution is defined is this one:

$$\{(t,x)\in \mathbb{R}^2 \mid |x|<1, t \geq 0\} = [0,+\infty)\times (-1,1)$$

? If so, will it represent a rectangle of infinite length in the upward direction excluding the boundary?

Could be.
It's fairly common that these problems start at time $t=0$, at which time something special happens, such as heat starting to be applied to a body.
But then again, that does not seem to be given, and the solution also holds for negative $t$.
That is, $t=0$ is ultimately only an arbritary reference point in time. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Could be.
It's fairly common that these problems start at time $t=0$, at which time something special happens, such as heat starting to be applied to a body.
But then again, that does not seem to be given, and the solution also holds for negative $t$.
That is, $t=0$ is ultimately only an arbritary reference point in time. (Thinking)

So with $t=0$ we mean the time at which something happens at the solution and we consider that before this time the same happens as after it? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
So with $t=0$ we mean the time at which something happens at the solution and we consider that before this time the same happens as after it? (Thinking)

Let's pick a couple of examples... (Thinking)

Suppose a vertical metal cylinder is originally at room temperature.
And at $t=0$ we start heating it at the bottom, heating it up from the bottom to the top.
Then we are not interested in what happens before $t=0$. We already know.
And it doesn't fit into the differential equation either, since the solution would then not be differentiable at $t=0$.

Another example, suppose rays of light are passing through a glass fiber.
At $t=0$ they pass through the fiber where we are sitting, and it's a sine wave.
Then we can see what happens afterwards ($t > 0$), and we can also trace it back to where it came from ($t < 0$).

Long story short, it should be specified in the problem statement whether $t<0$ is included or not.
 
I like Serena said:
Let's pick a couple of examples... (Thinking)

Suppose a vertical metal cylinder is originally at room temperature.
And at $t=0$ we start heating it at the bottom, heating it up from the bottom to the top.
Then we are not interested in what happens before $t=0$. We already know.
And it doesn't fit into the differential equation either, since the solution would then not be differentiable at $t=0$.

Why woulnd't the solution be differentiable at $t=0$ ?
I like Serena said:
Another example, suppose rays of light are passing through a glass fiber.
At $t=0$ they pass through the fiber where we are sitting, and it's a sine wave.
Then we can see what happens afterwards ($t > 0$), and we can also trace it back to where it came from ($t < 0$).

So we have a sine wave when rays of light pass through the glass fiber? And this happens for $t=0$ ? And since rays of light don't change something at the glass fiber, the solution will be the same before and after $t=0$?

I like Serena said:
Long story short, it should be specified in the problem statement whether $t<0$ is included or not.

I see... (Nod)
 
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evinda said:
Why woulnd't the solution be differentiable at $t=0$ ?

For $x=0$ he solution would be something like:
$$y(t, 0) = \begin{cases}0 &\text{ if }t<0 \\ 1-e^{-t} &\text{ if }t\ge 0\end{cases}$$
And:
$$\lim_{t\to 0^-} y_t(t,0) = 0$$
while
$$\lim_{t\to 0^+} y_t(t,0) = 1$$
Ergo, not differentiable in $t=0$.

evinda said:
So we have a sine wave when rays of light pass through the glass fiber? And this happens for $t=0$ ? And since rays of light don't change something at the glass fiber, the solution will be the same before and after $t=0$?

Since at $t=0$ nothing special happens, the solution doesn't change either around $t=0$. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
For $x=0$ he solution would be something like:
$$y(t, 0) = \begin{cases}0 &\text{ if }t<0 \\ 1-e^{-t} &\text{ if }t\ge 0\end{cases}$$
And:
$$\lim_{t\to 0^-} y_t(t,0) = 0$$
while
$$\lim_{t\to 0^+} y_t(t,0) = 1$$
Ergo, not differentiable in $t=0$.

So this problem isn't somehow related with the problem of the #post 1, is it?

How would the differential equation look like? (Thinking)
I like Serena said:
Since at $t=0$ nothing special happens, the solution doesn't change either around $t=0$. (Thinking)

So what would happen at the solution when $t \neq 0$ so that we have a sine wave?
For $t=0$ when the rays of light are passing through the glass fiber the solution will be 0? Or have I understood it wrong? (Worried)
 
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evinda said:
So this problem isn't somehow related with the problem of the #post 1, is it?

How would the differential equation look like? (Thinking)

No, neither of the examples is for the problem in #1.
They are just examples of IVP's.

It's an example of the heat equation:
$$u_t - \alpha u_{xx} = 0$$

The other example is from the wave equation:
$$u_{tt} = c^2 u_{xx}$$

evinda said:
So what would happen at the solution when $t \neq 0$ so that we have a sine wave?
For $t=0$ when the rays of light are passing through the glass fiber the solution will be 0? Or have I understood it wrong? (Worried)

Not for the problem in post #1, but for the wave equation $\sin(x-ct)$ is a solution everywhere.
 

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