Find Stationary Points of u(x,y) Function & Determine Max/Min/Saddle

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The discussion revolves around finding the stationary points of the function u(x, y) = 4x^3 − 18(x^2)y + 24x(y^2) − 120y and determining their nature (maxima, minima, or saddle points). The problem is situated within the context of multivariable calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to solve the equations derived from the first derivatives to find stationary points. There are attempts to factor and manipulate the equations, with questions about the next steps and the validity of approaches taken.

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Some participants have offered suggestions for factoring equations and have noted their attempts to eliminate variables. There is a recognition of the need to find stationary points before proceeding to classify them, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to continue.

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Homework Statement



Find the four stationary points of the function:
u(x, y) = 4x^3 − 18(x^2)y + 24x(y^2) − 120y

Determine whether they are maxima, minima or saddle points.

Homework Equations



To find stationary points use:

E= (d^2u/dxy)^2 - [(d^2u/dx^2) * (d^2u/dy^2)]

E>0 saddle
E < 0 Maximum -> d^2u/dx^2 < 0
Minimum -> d^2u/dx^2 > 0

The Attempt at a Solution



du/dx = 12x^2 - 36xy +24y^2 (1)
du/dy = -18x^2 + 48xy-120 (2)

Stationary points mean both du/dx and du/dy are equal to 0. Here I should find simultaneous solution of equations (1) and (2). This is where I get stuck and I am not sure how to find them.

I have done the next part though:

E= (-36x + 48y)^2 - (1152x^2 - 1728xy)

But I need the stationary points to find the min/max/saddle points.
 
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Try factoring one of those equations.
 
Ok I've tried:

du/dx = 12x^2 - 36xy +24y^2 (1)
du/dy = -18x^2 + 48xy-120 (2)

(1) x^2 - 3xy + 2y^2 = 0
(2)-3x^2 + 8xy -20 = 0

Eliminate x^2 ; xy +6y^2 - 20= 0 ; x = 20/y - 6y
Or
Eliminate xy ; x^2 - 16y^2 + 60 = 0 (not sure how to factorise)

Do I sub that back into the previous equtions?

I am still not sure where to go form here.
 
The first equation can be written in factored form as
(x - y)(x - 2y) = 0

BTW, you should post problems like this in the Calculus & Beyond section, not this section.
 
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Thank you! I think I know what I need to do now with the other equation now.

Noted, i'll post in the other section.
 

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