Find the parameter values that make ##L## surjective

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The discussion revolves around determining the parameter values that make the linear mapping represented by a given matrix surjective. Participants explore the relationship between injectivity and surjectivity in linear maps, alongside the implications of the determinant of the matrix.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a linear map is surjective if and only if it is injective, suggesting that finding values for which the map is injective suffices to determine surjectivity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that surjectivity, injectivity, and invertibility are equivalent conditions, all relating to the determinant being non-zero.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of calculating the determinant, with one participant referring to it as a "monster" and expressing concern about checking numerous parameter values.
  • One participant proposes that symmetry in the matrix implies that if any two parameters among ##a, b, c## are equal, the determinant is zero.
  • Another participant explains that reorganizing the determinant into a block form simplifies the problem to a smaller determinant calculation.
  • Concerns are raised about understanding why equal parameters lead to a zero determinant, with references to properties of determinants related to equal columns or rows.
  • Participants suggest methods for manipulating the matrix to facilitate determinant calculation, including column and row swaps.

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Participants generally agree on the relationship between injectivity and surjectivity but exhibit uncertainty regarding the specific implications of parameter values on the determinant and the conditions for surjectivity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient method to determine the parameter values.

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Limitations include the complexity of the determinant and the potential need for further clarification on the properties of determinants that lead to zero values based on parameter equality.

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I am wondering if there is a theorem to check whether a linear map is surjective or not in function of the value of the parameters.
I am given the following matrix representation of a linear mapping

$$L_{\alpha}^{\beta}=
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & a & 0 & b & 0 & c \\
a & 0 & b & 0 & c & 0 \\
0 & a^3 & 0 & b^3 & 0 & c^3 \\
a^3 & 0 & b^3 & 0 & c^3 & 0 \\
\end{pmatrix}
$$

Where ##a,b,c \in \Re##

And I am asked to find the values that make L surjective.

Well, if the question was about what values of ##a,b,c## make ##L## injective I'd go for the rank-nullity theorem and see for what values I get that the nullity of ##L## is zero (as there's a theorem stating that if the nullity of ##L = 0 \rightarrow L## is injective).

My question is: is there an analogous theorem to check surjectivity?

I am aware of the basic definition of a surjective map: L is surjective if for every element ##y## in the codomain ##Y## there is at least one element ##x## in the domain ##X##.
 
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Oh so if I find the values for which ##L## is injective then I am done.
 
JD_PM said:
Oh so if I find the values for which ##L## is injective then I am done.
Yes, surjective iff injective iff invertible iff non-zero determinant.
 
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Alright so it is simply about getting for what values of ##a,b, c## the determinant (which is a monster btw) is zero.

Thus we know that for those values the linear map is not injective and for the rest of values it is.

Thus, based on the theorem you stated, for those values the linear map is not surjective and for the rest of values it is (please correct me if I am wrong).

I found a proof of the theorem you stated (which relies on other theorems):

Let's assume that ##L## is injective. There is a theorem stating that if a linear map is injective then ##ker(L) =[0]##. This implies that the ##dim(kerL)=0##. Based on the dimension theorem (##dim(V)=dim(kerL)+ dim(ImL)##) we get that ##dim(V) = dim(ImL)##. Once here we know that there is a theorem that states ##dim(U)=dim(V) \iff U=V##. Thus we get ##Im(L) = V##, which is the definition of surjectivity.

QED.
 
JD_PM said:
Alright so it is simply about getting for what values of ##a,b, c## the determinant (which is a monster btw) is zero.

The monster can be tamed easily enough! Focus on the symmetry.
 
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Alright so after some thought I only came up with the brute method

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Mmm yikes! Am I now supposed to check all parameter values for which this 20-terms equation becomes zero? (the only apparent case is when ##a=b=c=0##)

I guess there's a much neater way of solving this...
 
First, you can see by symmetry of the original matrix that if any two of ##a,b,c## are equal then the determinant is zero.

I reorganised the determinant into a block form, with a 3 x 3 matrix in the top left and the same 3 x 3 matrix in the bottom right, and everything else zero. That reduces the problem to a 3 x 3 determinant.
 
PeroK said:
First, you can see by symmetry of the original matrix that if any two of ##a,b,c## are equal then the determinant is zero.

Mmm why? I am afraid I do no see it... I guess that it has to do with a property of the determinant; I know that if any row/column of the determinant is zero then the determinant is zero.

PeroK said:
I reorganised the determinant into a block form, with a 3 x 3 matrix in the top left and the same 3 x 3 matrix in the bottom right, and everything else zero. That reduces the problem to a 3 x 3 determinant.

Could you please show/explain how to do so? :)
 
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JD_PM said:
Mmm why? I am afraid I do no see it... I guess that it has to do with a property of the determinant; I know that if any row/column of the determinant is zero then the determinant is zero.

If ##a = b##, then the second and fourth columns are equal. By a simple column operation of subtracting one from the other you get a zero column.
 
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JD_PM said:
Could you please show/explain how to do so? :)

1) Swap the columns until the first row is ##1 \ 1 \ 1 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0##.

2) Swap the rows until the second row is ##a \ b \ c \ 0 \ 0 \ 0## and the third row is ##a^3 \ b^3 \ c^3 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0##.
 
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