Find the range of values for abc and a + b + c

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The discussion revolves around determining the range of values for the products and sums of three positive real numbers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) under the constraint that \(\frac{1}{3} \leq ab + bc + ca \leq 3\). The focus includes both theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using Lagrange multipliers to find the extreme points of \(abc\) under the constraint \(bc + ca + ab = k\), concluding that \(abc\) achieves a maximum of 1 when \(a = b = c = 1\) and approaches 0 as one variable approaches 0.
  • Another participant suggests that the AM-GM inequality can be applied, leading to the conclusion that \(abc \leq 1\) when \(bc + ca + ab \leq 3\).
  • For the sum \(a + b + c\), one participant notes that it can take arbitrarily large values as one variable approaches 0, while the minimum occurs when \(a = b = c = \frac{1}{3}\), yielding \(a + b + c = 1\).
  • There is a mention of inequalities that suggest \(a + b + c \geq 1\) based on the relationships between the squares of the variables and their products.

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Participants express different methods and reasoning for determining the ranges of \(abc\) and \(a + b + c\). While some conclusions about upper bounds for \(abc\) and lower bounds for \(a + b + c\) are presented, there is no consensus on the overall ranges, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the constraints.

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Participants rely on various mathematical techniques and inequalities, but the discussion does not resolve the dependencies on specific assumptions or the implications of the constraints on the ranges of \(abc\) and \(a + b + c\).

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Let $a, b, c$ be positive real numbers satisfying $$\frac{1}{3}\le ab+bc+ca \le 3$$.

Determine the range of values for

i) $abc$,

ii) $a+b+c$.
 
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Anemone and kaliprasad have noticed that nobody ever replied to this challenge problem. Here is my attempt, using MarkFL's favourite method of Lagrange multipliers.

To find the extreme points of $abc$ subject to the restraint $bc+ca+ab = k$ (where $\frac13\leqslant k\leqslant 3$), put the partial derivatives of $abc - \lambda(bc+ca+ab - k)$ (with respect to $a$, $b$ and $c$) equal to $0$: $$bc - \lambda (b+c) = 0,\qquad ca - \lambda (c+a) = 0,\qquad ab - \lambda (a+b) = 0.$$ Write those equations as $$\frac1\lambda = \frac1b + \frac1c = \frac1c + \frac1a = \frac1a + \frac1b$$ to see that $a=b=c$. That is the unique extremal point of $abc$. It must be a maximum because if we take $b=c=\varepsilon$ and $a = \dfrac{k-\varepsilon^2}{2\varepsilon}$ then $bc+ca+ab = k$ but $abc = \frac12\varepsilon(k-\varepsilon^2) \to0$ as $\varepsilon\to0$. So $abc\to0$ towards the boundary of the set $\{(a,b,c)\in \mathbb{R}^3:a>0,\,b>0,\,c>0\}.$ Thus the maximum possible value of $abc$ occurs when $k=3$ and $a=b=c= abc =1$. The range of values of $abc$ is therefore the half-open interval $(0,1]$.

An exactly similar calculation for the sum $a+b+c$ shows that it can take arbitrarily large values (when $b=c= \varepsilon$, $a = \dfrac{k-\varepsilon^2}{2\varepsilon}$ and $\varepsilon\to0$). There is again a unique extremal point when $a=b=c$, but this time it is a minimum, occurring when $a=b=c=\frac13$ and $a+b+c=1$. So the range of values of $a+b+c$ is the interval $[1,\infty).$
 
I think the reason I favor the method of Lagrange multipliers is because I am ignorant of the AM-GM method. (Wink) anemone has tried to teach me this, but I have been quite slow on the uptake. (Giggle)
 
MarkFL said:
I think the reason I favor the method of Lagrange multipliers is because I am ignorant of the AM-GM method. (Wink) anemone has tried to teach me this, but I have been quite slow on the uptake. (Giggle)

Hahaha...that isn't the case, Mark! That is because you don't like AM-GM for some reason, the same reason I have zero interest with the LM, I guess...:p
 
MarkFL said:
I think the reason I favor the method of Lagrange multipliers is because I am ignorant of the AM-GM method. (Wink) anemone has tried to teach me this, but I have been quite slow on the uptake. (Giggle)
[sp]Mention of the AM-GM method makes me see that this is the best way to approach this problem.View attachment 2344

In fact, $\frac13(bc + ca + ab) \geqslant \sqrt[3]{a^2b^2c^2}.$ So if $bc+ca+ab \leqslant3$ it follows that $(abc)^{2 / 3} \leqslant1$ and so $abc\leqslant 1$.

For the other part of the problem, add the inequalities $b^2 + c^2 \geqslant 2bc$, $c^2+a^2 \geqslant 2ca$ and $a^2+b^2 \geqslant 2ab$ to get $2(a^2+b^2+c^2) \geqslant 2(bc+ca+ab)$ and hence $a^2+b^2+c^2 \geqslant bc+ca+ab.$ It follows that $(a+b+c)^2 = a^2+b^2+c^2 + 2(bc+ca+ab) \geqslant 3(bc+ca+ab) \geqslant1.$ Therefore $a+b+c\geqslant1.$[/sp]
 

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