Find the total number of subtraction remaining 1111?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving subtraction where a 5-digit number minus a 4-digit number results in 11111. Participants are attempting to clarify the problem's wording and explore the implications of the digits used in the numbers.

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  • Participants are interpreting the problem's requirements and discussing the conditions under which the subtraction holds true. They are questioning how to determine the total number of subtractions and exploring examples of valid pairs of numbers that satisfy the equation.

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There is ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, with some participants suggesting potential examples and questioning the constraints of the digits involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the leading digit of the 5-digit number and its implications.

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Participants note that all digits from 1 to 9 must be used in the numbers A and B, and there is uncertainty regarding the uniqueness of the solution based on different interpretations of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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5 digits minus 4 digit remaining 11111?
if the 5 digit = 20000
and the 4 digit = 8889
so remaining 11111

digits 1 to 9 have been used?
what am I supposed to do?
 
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Helly123 said:

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The Attempt at a Solution


5 digits minus 4 digit remaining 11111?
if the 5 digit = 20000
and the 4 digit = 8889
so remaining 11111

digits 1 to 9 have been used?
what am I supposed to do?
Wow. The wording of this problem had me stumped. I had to read it many times before maybe figuring out what it's asking.

I think it must mean:

Suppose A and B have 5 and 4 digits respectively, and that A − B = 11111 . Furthermore, all digits 1 - 9 are used in writing the combination of A and B.
What are all of the possible sets of numbers A and B for which this is true?​
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SammyS said:
Wow. The wording of this problem had me stumped. I had to read it many times before maybe figuring out what it's asking.

I think it must mean:

Suppose A and B have 5 and 4 digits respectively, and that A − B = 11111 . Furthermore, all digits 1 - 9 are used in writing the combination of A and B.
What are all of the possible sets of numbers A and B for which this is true?​
.
I get 19753 - 8642 = 11111. But i don't know, total number of substractions? 8+6+4+2 = 20... the key answer different
 
Helly123 said:
I get 19753 - 8642 = 11111. But i don't know, total number of subtractions? 8+6+4+2 = 20... the key answer different
As long as each pair, {9, 8}, {7, 6}, {5, 4}, {3, 2} is lined up together, you will have the correct result.

Can you show that the leading digit in the 5 digit number can't be a 2 ?
 
SammyS said:
As long as each pair, {9, 8}, {7, 6}, {5, 4}, {3, 2} is lined up together, you will have the correct result.

Can you show that the leading digit in the 5 digit number can't be a 2 ?
The leading number can't be 2, because that leading number won't be substracted , thus is 1. ?
 
How do we get a "number of subtractions" that way?

The way I interpreted it, we start with a 5-digit number, let's say 35791, and then subtract a 4-digit number, let's say 2468, repeatedly until the result is 11111:
35791-n*2468= 11111
This has n=10 as solution.

With that interpretation we don't get a unique solution, on the other hand, as we have n=10 and n=1 as examples already.
Helly123 said:
The leading number can't be 2, because that leading number won't be substracted , thus is 1. ?
It is a bit more complicated as the 4-digit number could start with 9.

Do you know the intended answer?
 
Poorly worded questions honestly but I think that mfb's interpretation is probably correct
 

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