Finding a Ratio for Linear Recurrence Sequences

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding linear recurrence sequences, specifically how to find ratios between terms and the implications of differing ratios. Participants explore the recurrence relation and its application to generate terms of the sequence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Casio presents a sequence of terms (4, 1.4, 2.44, 2.024) and expresses confusion about finding a consistent ratio between them.
  • CB asks for the recurrence relation to better understand the sequence Casio is working with.
  • Casio provides a recurrence relation (U1 = 2, Un+1 = -0.3Un + 3) and calculates subsequent terms, but is uncertain about the correctness of their methods.
  • CB suggests that the sequence has an attractor at u=30/13, indicating that the terms will converge towards this value depending on the starting point.
  • Another participant points out that Casio may be misunderstanding the recurrence relation and provides calculations for the terms based on the given relation.
  • Casio acknowledges the guidance and seeks clarification on specific parts of the recurrence relation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the recurrence relation or the method for finding ratios, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the accuracy of the methods used to calculate terms and the implications of the differing ratios in the sequence.

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I have a linear recurrence sequence and am having a problem understanding what to do when the ratio does not seem to be the same between each of the terms, so

Terms;

4, 1.4, 2.44, 2.024... (n = 1,2,3...)

How do I find a the ratio of these terms, and if there is none, please advise how I continue?

Kind regards

Casio:confused:
 
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Casio said:
I have a linear recurrence sequence and am having a problem understanding what to do when the ratio does not seem to be the same between each of the terms, so

Terms;

4, 1.4, 2.44, 2.024... (n = 1,2,3...)

How do I find a the ratio of these terms, and if there is none, please advise how I continue?

Kind regards

Casio:confused:

Could you tell us what the recurrence relation is?

CB
 
CaptainBlack said:
Could you tell us what the recurrence relation is?

CB

U1 = 2, Un+1 =-0.3Un + 3 (n = 1,2,3...)

U2= U2.4+1 = -0.3(3.4) + 3 = 1.98

U3 = U1.98+1 = -0.3(2.98)+3 = 2.11

U4 = U2.11+1 = -0.3(3.11)+3 = 2.07

Four terms are;2, 1.98, 2.11, 2.07,...

Not sure whether the first method I used to work out the terms was correct, or whether the method I used here is correct, the course book does not give any examples to show how they are done, only examples to solve?

Thanks

Casio
 
Casio said:
U1 = 2, Un+1 =-0.3Un + 3 (n = 1,2,3...)

U2= U2.4+1 = -0.3(3.4) + 3 = 1.98

U3 = U1.98+1 = -0.3(2.98)+3 = 2.11

U4 = U2.11+1 = -0.3(3.11)+3 = 2.07

Four terms are;2, 1.98, 2.11, 2.07,...

Not sure whether the first method I used to work out the terms was correct, or whether the method I used here is correct, the course book does not give any examples to show how they are done, only examples to solve?

Thanks

Casio

What are you being asked to do with this sequence?

It obviously has an attractor at u=30/13, increasing towards it if it starts at less than 30/13 and decreasing towards it if it starts above.

CB
 
Hello, Casio!

You are misunderstanding the recurrence relation.

\text{Given: }\:U_{n+1} \:=\:-0.3U_n + 3,\;\;U_1 = 2

We have:

. . . \begin{array}{cccccc}U_1 &=& 2 \\ U_2 &=& -0.3(2) + 3 &=& 2.4 \\ U_3 &=& -0.3(2.4) + 3 &=& 2.28 \\ U_4 &=& -0.3(2.28) + 3 &=& 2.316 \\ \vdots && \vdots && \vdots \end{array}
 
soroban said:
Hello, Casio!

You are misunderstanding the recurrence relation.

\text{Given: }\:U_{n+1} \:=\:-0.3U_n + 3,\;\;U_1 = 2

We have:

. . . \begin{array}{cccccc}U_1 &=& 2 \\ U_2 &=& -0.3(2) + 3 &=& 2.4 \\ U_3 &=& -0.3(2.4) + 3 &=& 2.28 \\ U_4 &=& -0.3(2.28) + 3 &=& 2.316 \\ \vdots && \vdots && \vdots \end{array}

Thanks for setting me on the right line of thought there.

OK let me take this one step at a time so I get the proper understanding of what is actually going on with these sequences.

First, please explain what this part refers to;\text{Given:}\:U_{n+1}

Casio
 

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