Finding aplitude of free undamped motion

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The discussion revolves around determining the amplitude and period of motion for a mass-spring system undergoing free undamped motion. Participants explore the mathematical framework necessary to solve the problem, including differential equations and trigonometric identities.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving a mass and spring, stating the need to find the amplitude and period of motion, given specific initial conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that solving a differential equation is necessary to find the amplitude, indicating that the solution is straightforward for undamped motion.
  • A third participant proposes a function of the form f(t) = A cos(ωt) + B sin(ωt) and outlines two methods to find the amplitude, involving differentiation and trigonometric identities.
  • This participant also explains how to convert the function into a single sinusoidal function to easily identify the amplitude.
  • A fourth participant expresses uncertainty about the trigonometric conversion from A cos(ωt) + B sin(ωt) to a single sine function, requesting clarification.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method to find the amplitude, with differing approaches suggested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific steps needed to derive the amplitude from the given function.

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Some assumptions about the initial conditions and the form of the solution may not be fully explored, and the discussion does not clarify the relationship between the constants A and B in the context of the problem.

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I have a problem I'm trying to solve:

A mass weighing 32 pounds stretches a spring 2 feet. Determine the amplitude and period of motion if the mass is initially released from a point 1 foot above the equilibrium position with an upward velocity of 2ft/s. How many complete cycles will the mass have completed at the end of 4[tex]\pi[/tex] seconds?

I understand that F=kx so I can say 32=k(2) therefore k=16. And a period can be found by T= 2[tex]\pi[/tex]/[tex]\omega[/tex] where [tex]\omega[/tex]=[tex]\sqrt{k/m}[/tex]. So in this case [tex]\omega[/tex]=4 and so the period, T, equals [tex]\pi[/tex]/2. What I can't figure out though is how to find the amplitude of motion. Any ideas? Thanks for the help.
 
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Since this is in the differential equations section I assume you need to solve a differential equation in order to get the information you need. Once you do so, the amplitude becomes obvious.

Have you tried constructing an ODE yet? Since it is undamped the solution is quite simple.
 
Presumably, you have a function of the form [itex]f(t)= A cos(\omega t)+ B sin(\omega t)[/itex]. There are two ways to find the amplitude:

1) Find max and min values by differentiating. [itex]f'(t)= -A sin(\omega t)+ B cos(\omega t)= 0[/itex] gives [itex]B cos(\omega t)= A sin(\omega t)[/itex] so [itex]tan(\omega t)= A/B[/itex] [itex]t= arctan(A/B)/\omega[/itex]. Putting that back into the f(t) gives [itex]A cos(arctan(A/B))+ B sin(arctan(A/B))[/itex].

You could use trig identities to change those cosine and sine functions into tangents but simpler is this: imagine a right triangle with opposite side A, near side B. By the Pythagorean theorem, the hypotenuse has length [itex]\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}[/itex]. Then the angle is arctan(A/B) and cosine of that angle is [itex]B/\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}[/itex] while the sine is [itex]A/\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}[/itex].

2) Convert [itex]Acos(\omega t)+ Bsin(\omega t)[/itex] to a single function. sin(x+y)= sin(y)cos(x)+ cos(y)sin(x) so, taking [itex]x= \omega t[/itex], we just need to find "y" so that sin(y)= A and cos(y)= B. Of course, we can't do that is [itex]A^2+ B^2[/itex] is not equal to 1 but we can fix that by multiplying and dividing by [itex]\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}[/itex].
[tex]A cos(\omega t)+ B sin(\omega t)= \sqrt{A^2+ B^2}\left(\frac{A}{\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}}cos(\omega t)+ \frac{B}{\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}}sin(\omega t)\right)[/tex]
[tex]= \sqrt{A^2+ B^2}cos(\omega t+ y)[/tex]
where y is such that [itex]sin(y)= A/\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}[/itex] and [itex]sin(y)= B/\sqrt{A^2+ B^2}[/itex].

Of course, it is easy to look at that last formula and see what the amplitude is without need to find "y".
 
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My trig is a bit rusty... How do you go from Acos(wt) +Bsin(wt) to sin(wt+y)
 

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